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I usually try to stay out of these discussions, but consider this: If there was a ban on clips holding more than x rounds, would all the criminals throw their hands up in the air and bemoan their large capacity clips? No. If there was a law banning guns on school grounds, would that stop a psychopath from taking a gun to an elementary school? No. It's not a gun problem. Society is broken. It's full of broken people. One of the consequences is these heinous acts. Fix the broken people, and there won't be anyone left that needs to kill a classroom full of children. I think the Boy Scouts is a good place to start. Teach character, ethics, duty, responsibility, and teach them to value other people. Then watch them teach their friends. It can be contagious. There's step #1 of the Nanuq Solution.

Citizen's owning guns to keep our Government in check is the funniest part of this thread. I can just see a bunch of fools with AR-15's fighting against a well trained army with tanks, armored personell carriers, aircraft, drones, submmarines and nuclear missiles. Good luck with that one. Red Dawn was just a movie, not real life.

At Z this is and always has been a self policing board when it comes to private sales, we have found this to be a far safer method of keeping scammers in check than the 'No comment on sales' used elsewhere. That said there is no foolproof way to stop scammers from constantly making new accounts from different IPs and no we cannot be expected to catch them all. The point I want to hear is if the OP has contacted his bank to ascertain if the payment is in fact a wire like claimed, despite the buyers past record shouldn't the OP first make sure he has been scammed? Ken

If you want a gun and you have the money, you can get a gun. I don't care where in the world you are or what the laws are. Mentally unstable people with guns are the least of problems surrounding violence committed with guns. We don't need to "fix" anyone, society has created an environment in which people have increasingly become more willing to take another human life in anger or for gain. What happened in this country (and others) that even with ever increasing gun restriction measures people are killing each other in higher numbers? It wasn't like this in the 50's, what's changed? It isn't the ease of access to weapons capable of ending a human life. Its the ease of conscience in taking a human life. The truth is its easier and more pleasant to believe that you can pass a law and fix a problem, easier than it is to accept the fact that in order for peoples behavior to change that person must choose to change. Anyone that has seen a problem in themselves will attest to the fact that changing your own behavior is a very difficult thing indeed. Changing someone else's behavior is nigh impossible and anyone that believes that they can make someone else change is a fool.

I don't see the point in limiting magazine capacity. Mass shootings always bring about the argument of "Who needs magazines of such a high capacity?" but lets be honest the genie is out of the bottle when it comes to firearms. Legislation will only stop the legal sale of such items and there is enough of it out there that it won't have any effect on future mass shooters. If there is a demand for such items, that demand will be met on the black market as it is in all countries, laws be damned. We need to focus on the people that commit the crimes and the factors that contributed to their decisions leading up to and culminating in the crime. People really are the issue and the quality of the people in this world is markedly and measurably declining.

Friends, Hope everyone is doing well. Been busy with work and life; I've not had much chance to get on the forum to see what's new, but thought I'd share a recent build that I've been working on over the past few weeks This project started as more of a side project; I had picked up bits and pieces here and there but started to really gain focus once things had started to progress. So, without further adieu (and because I'm a bit constrained on time), the recipe list: -Phong 6265 case -Valjoux 72 movement -Genuine RSC service lumi dial -Genuine RSC service lumi hands -Genuine 25-21 crystal -Genuine 703 crown/tube -Genuine 7835 folded link bracelet Pics: Need to send this one off for a service, however... But in the meantime, a fun piece to have Thanks for looking! //ubi

Tell that to the evil mother [censored] who break Into your home and have very bad Intentions for you and your family. I'm sure they well be very Impressed with your stats. FYI many home security systems can be defeated by cutting a few wires on outside boxes. Much Information available on this topic alone. Good luck. Mike

This is what keeping guns in your house leads too, This is the reality that is your countries love of deadly weapons. Guns are what you cherrish over the safety of your friends and loved ones. By the way, almost all of these happened in the last couple of weeks. Take your second amendment and put it where it belongs - in your history books (which by the way need updating) http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/340430 http://www.krem.com/home/Court-documents-Its-my-fault-said-man-accused-in-deadly-accidental-shooting-185344291.html http://www.ci.medford.or.us/News.asp?NewsID=4125 http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/dec/22/teen-killed-accidental-shooting-ar-2880659/ http://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-hampton-teen-shoots-himself-0104,0,3639233.story http://www.wcax.com/story/20478565/police-richford-man-died-from-accidental-shooting http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50358306/ns/local_news-anchorage_ak/ This links to several http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/accidental-shooting

First stop winding it. Don't hand wind Asian 7750s all you will do is snap the teath on the transfer gears due to you trying to turn the weight due to a sticky reversing wheel Second get it serviced

Old Noobfactory Explorer II case, old Noobfactory GMT Master II dial lumed by vac, WM9 sub bezel, Swiss CHS movement, built by me. I did a build thread a while ago.

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"What I have trouble with in this whole argument is that no one wants to ban guns totally, just automatic guns and yet we hear the 2nd amendment quoted time and again." "No one who signed the 2nd amendment would have, nor could have, had even the slightest concept of what an automatic rifle was." True automatics are not the same as semi-automatics (full autos are strictly regulated) but it is always semi-automatics that fuzz up hand wringing USA liberals after each shooting...and they always call them 'automatics'. I doubt they know the difference. I see no real need for 30, 60, 100 etc round clips or full automatics. Video... I used to see Lance Thomas at NAWCC shows. I still have one of his business cards with the motto "No Obsene Profit Here." A super nice guy...unless you try to rob him. Look at 5:35 where the liberal leaning interviewer tried to blame a shooting on LT. I keep a sawed off 12 guage pump handy. The original 'point and click'.

In my opinion, you might as well buy a gen. Yes they are expensive but after having tried many different versions including a WM9, nothing beats gen. I could have saved a lot of money by going straight to gen.

First let me welcome you to the forum. I'm actually surprised you received this much feedback considering your question is,"who has the best sub?" The reason I say this is this is one of the most common questions received on the forum(s) and is a running joke when it comes to new members....hell, I did the same thing when I first arrived on the rep scene. However it sounds like you have already done some research. Let me try to help..... Consider Andrew simply a vendor....although he's a great choice and will deliver a good product you get what you get with him and that's a rep. Chances are you will be happy with the purchase at first and as you recognize the flaws over time then you'll probably start to look for someone to perform upgrades or modifications on the watch to make it closer to gen. This is where BK comes in.....he started his rep career modifying Rolex replicas and eventually started to offer them for sale as it made it easier on him and us. BK is a perfectionist and it shows in all his work. Yes, you will pay for this service but his products are amazing. With that said I'd suggest the following....start with Andrews watch. It's a cheaper alternative and will allow you to get understanding of this hobby first hand without spending a lot of money upfront. In my opinion this gives you a good benchmark to start this hobby and establishes true expectations. As your skills evolve you'll begin to learn what to look for (I.e. rehault, pearls, fonts, cgs, crown position, etc, etc...). Later on you might contact BK and ask him to perform some upgrades on your watch as well. As an alternative I'd suggest contacting PBdad.......he's an amazing modder IMO and can take your rep to an entirely different level Bottom line, the answer to your question is subjective so you will get conflicting answers from our members depending on where they are in their "rep careers". One thing I can guarantee you....if you love this hobby this subc will not be your last submariner. Good luck!

Try to get a wm9 (BK) or TC Type 1 (TC) insert from somebody upgrading his sub 16610 LV from any of those two to gen.

I dream about all those beautiful children who didn't go home that day, but yeah probably stupid putting flesh and blood before some nice cold steel. Ken

As an Aussie I am embarrassed by that video , as KB said its a crock of #$%@. We dont need guns We dont want guns. SHame on the journalist that put that Bollox together

Do we know these numbers are true; " Israel has 1 of the world's highest number of guns per capita (nearly every family has at least 1 military-style firearm), but 1 of the lowest rates of gun-related crime in the world (both Switzerland & Canada have significantly higher numbers of gun-related deaths than does Israel)." Well they must be a crock if you are on a particular side of the issue. We must investigate methodology on how they were compiled to refute them to support that position. Oh what the hell they are a crock cause I think they are. "The Federalist Papers." Yes sir re bob. We must seem strange to our friends in other countries keep in mind our country was founded by rebels who hated government, this is the reason we exist as a country. Now no one alive was there and most of us can only trace back a generation or two living here. (Indians are the only true Americans) But these were the risk takers the bold who came across the Atlantic with maybe a bag with some clothes to Ellis Island or jumped on and over crowed boat from Cuba. We are a cocky, arrogant and independent bunch for the most part but the ideals of those rebels are ingrained in us somehow. We are quick to give and quick to fight (I know the fighting you know check the numbers on giving we are # one) but when the chips are down you can count on us for blood or treasure. These ideals and traits make us who we are, gun happy Americans to some Neanderthals living in the past to others even some of our own. I agree with some of my fellow countrymen that we have lost our way in the quality of our society where the taking of human life is nothing. The failure of the change in mental health policy by well meaning people in the past has failed us. But I refuse to side with the premise that disarming good law abiding people will redress these problems because it will do neither.

Regardless of which side you are on, here are a couple of facts - 1. The people who wrote the US Constitution included the 2nd Amendment primarily to give citizens a way to protect themselves from the government. 2. Israel has 1 of the world's highest number of guns per capita (nearly every family has at least 1 military-style firearm), but 1 of the lowest rates of gun-related crime in the world (both Switzerland & Canada have significantly higher numbers of gun-related deaths than does Israel).

The date window on a genuine Rolex dial should line up perfectly with the correct cyclops for that dial. The 6542 should use a 25-115 crystal, but they are long out of production, hard to find, and not cheap when found. So most people, genuine 6542 owners, and the rest of us use the 25-116 which is .5mm longer distance from the center pinion to center date window. The ETA date wheel does not line up to a genuine Rolex dial, so we use a date wheel overlay. For my experience, the dial is the issue. On GMT models using a genuine dial and overlay on an ETA movement, the pinion is too short and needs the longer pinions to mount the 4 hands. The genuine dial is too thick. Using dials made for ETA movements from places like Otto Frei is an option, they line up and are not too thick, but the window is smaller that a gen Rolex, longer distance from pinion to center window, and not beveled. In this configuration you can remove the cyclops from the crystal and replace it in the correct position using a new one from Frei. IMO 'best' would be to make dial blanks from brass thin enough to clear hands in all applications, but with the date window in the gen Rolex position, same size as the gen and beveled, and use an overlay. I've tried to do that but I haven't the talent, ability or knowledge to make a decent beveled rectangle on a brass blank. I've tried jewelers files, to no avail. If anyone knows how to make a beveled rectangle I believe I can do the rest.

I live in the South, owning guns and hunting have been a way of life down here for generations. I Own guns, I don't hunt as much as I used to, just don't hate those critters like I used to, plus I hate getting up before dawn and sitting in a freezing cold duck blind for hours. I do enjoy getting out in the outdoors, in fact sometimes I go out alone and sit in the same blind, but in mid day when it's warmer, and I take a camera and binoculars instead of a shotgun. While I do own one semi automatic "assault rifle", I really don't see any need to have 30 round clips. In fact anyone who practices and gets good with a particular firearm, can change 10 round clips and keep firing almost as fast as the guy shooting the 30 round. Why do I have an assault rifle, and several handguns? Simply this, I live in a fairly isolated area, there have been a few home invasions in our area, all of them turned out bad for the homeowners, none of which were armed.That is the only reason I keep firearms in my house, other than rifles and shotguns that are strictly for hunting. In actuality,if one were looking for a home defense weapon, the best would be a short barrel open choke double barrel or pump shotgun with # 6 shot, From 10-15 feet, you don't have to aim, and the projectiles will not go through half a dozen flimsy walls if you miss. Am I a "gun nut" I really don't think so, I'm just a firearms owner who has guns and supports the rights of others to keep and bear arms. So what is the real problem. I think nanug expressed it very well. There are literally thousands of mentally unstable people walking around in society today, some of them are violent, some of them don't appear to be any different from their peers, but over time folks that are around them will know. One of the big problems is over the years, the federal and state governments have slashed mental health budgets to the bone. Years ago the grand scheme was to move people out of structured mental health facilities, and attempt to assimilate them into society. The problem is that hasn't worked, it's created a terrible problem, with homeless people people that have been abandoned by family and young people who need help, but cannot because the mental health facilities are so crowded and understaffed and under funded that patients spend weeks and months waiting for appointments. Medication is expensive, and most folks who need medications are not eligible for any government help. another problem, and the one that I believe is the more pervasive and ultimately more serious is the total lack of morals and conscience in our population. this has been fostered by the avalanche of extremely violent movies, video games and Television. Gratuitous Sex, violence and gristly killings are the everyday fare that we are inundated with today. Kids are assailed with this all day every day. They think that what they see on TV, what they play on their video games are in fact reality. And in a lot of cases, it does become their reality. killing a hundred people in a video game, or walking out of their house and killing 20 -30 people in a mall, school or on the street has the same reality, and elicits the same emotions. Is their a solution to the problem? Truthfully, I don't know. We have an almost complete breakdown in the family in our part of the country, probably 60-70 percent of the babies born are born into a single parent household. the fathers take off way before the baby is born and single mothers anf grandmothers bring up the children, so right off there is no father figure, and no one to establish rules and boundaries of discipline. Unfortunately, in a lot of cases, the father figure is replaced by a gang leader, who takes young boys in and teaches them the ways of the criminal. So here we have it, Loss of mental health facilities, movies, TV and video games that are filled with blood and gore, and finally the breakdown of the nuclear family. With all that's going on today, we are probably lucky that there aren't more killings.And I can promise you one thing, you can disarm the honest citizens, but the criminal will ALWAYS find a way to get a weapon, and it won't be a stick or a sword!

I think the Boy Scouts is a good place to start. Teach character, ethics, duty, responsibility, and teach them to value other people. Then watch them teach their friends. It can be contagious. There's step #1 of the Nanuq Solution. Amen to that Bob

What I would personally like to see is where the figures quoted in that video can be shown as fact, because honestly it's a crock. In Australia we do not have a ban on guns, we have a ban on automatic guns and the thing is that professional criminals have never favoured automatics anyway so it was never an attempt to decrease crime, it was simply an attempt to take these weapons out of the hands of people who may perpetuate these terrible mass shootings and since 1996 it has worked. Yes I am sure there are still automatic weapons out there and at some stage some will find there way to the wrong person, but the point is....we are trying If you need an automatic to hunt you are no hunter. Ken

Truer words were never spoken. We are isolated from our neighbors and we think a healthy outlet is sitting at a computer screen. We take offense at the slightest provocation. We are insular and spoiled rotten. We worship things, and have no time for people. Society is lost one broken person at a time. It can be recovered one person at a time. It takes effort, and it means caring more for others than you do for yourself. If we work on marble, it will perish; if on brass, time will efface it; if we rear up temples, they will crumble into dust; but if we work upon immortal minds and imbue them with principles, with the just fear of God and the love of our fellowmen, we engrave on those tablets something that will brighten to all eternity. --Daniel Webster

Theres 300 million people in the US. There are bound to be assholes. All cant suffer due to the small percentage of clowns.

What Nanuq said. Period. I too have my love for Gina and target practice which I passed to my current wife and he now loves it as well. My you nephew and niece have been taken to the range and shown proper gun safety and etiquette. Even if they don't like guns, I believe fun safety should be taught. X round magazines are enough for most of us, but when going to the range it becomes a pain in the butt. I deal with it. The AR15 is a great rifle, but I can live with a maximum capacity of ten. No biggie. American Society needs to take a hard look at itself period.

Must every tragic mass shooting bring out the shrill ignorance of "gun control" advocates? The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available. If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive. Places and times with the strongest gun control laws have often been places and times with high murder rates. Washington, D.C., is a classic example, but just one among many. When it comes to the rate of gun ownership, that is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down. The few counter-examples offered by gun control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun control laws than the United States and lower murder rates. But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries — and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time. More guns, less crime In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had enforced the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons. Neither guns nor gun control was the reason for the difference in murder rates. People were the difference. Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals. In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars. The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms. In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s — after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions — there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies. Gun control zealots' choice of Britain for comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States. You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland. Guns are not the problem. People are the problem — including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts. There is innocent ignorance and there is invincible, dogmatic and self-righteous ignorance. Every tragic mass shooting seems to bring out examples of both among gun control advocates. - Thomas Sowell Columnist and Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

OK, I'll start. I'm also a law abiding gun owner, in fact I own several hunting rifles and shotguns. I'm also a firm believer in getting rid of all military type, assault rifle type, and all clips or magazines that hold over 5 bullets. And I don't buy the theory that the gun lobby perpetuates, that a semi automatic hunting rifle is the same thing as a semi automatic assault rifle. One is designed and bought for hunting animals, the other is designed and bought for killing people. Also, I'd love to live in Australia, with or without my guns. OK, Next.

Hey Mike, btw, I moved to Calgary (if you remember me mentioning that sometime before) and I bought Hanae Mori HIM. I love that juice!!!!

Hi all Firstly sorry for all of you that have probably seen this model of watch a million times and there's nothing new here for you, but every day there is new guys n girls joining our community who havn't, hopefully someone will gain some sort of knowledge through this thread like i did 3 months ago. I thought i would share my build of my planet ocean 45mm from the start. Alot of us these days are seeing the dreaded planet ocean stripped crown or tube threads or some sort of keyless works issue like i did when i first received my planet ocean 42mm, so what i did like most of us who have never stripped a watch or wouldn't have the bottle or patients to strip a watch is send it back to the dealer, in most cases this is on the other side of the world and is going to take possibly another 2 weeks!!!!!! so off it went my 42mm planet ocean back to a trusted dealer who i might just add has been amazing every time i have purchased a watch from him. luckily for me i managed to change the watch with the dealer and i requested a 45mm upo.... great now it's on its way to me...10 days later it arrives I pull the crown out and..............................it wont set the time or date!! so after hours of searching the forum and speaking to some long time members between us we worked out it was a keyless works issue. so do i send it back and wait another 3 week(2 journeys there and back) or do i bite the bullet and fix it? you guessed i ordered a tool kit from offshore at watchbitz.com which is amazing and started stripping it down. heres my link to the keyless works repair if you need any help with it. http://www.rwg.cc/to...__fromsearch__1 so now its working again i wore it a few times and cut a long story short ended up taking my watch apart about 4 times until i eventually found a broken part in the keyless works which all along was broken and i didn't realize!! below is a picture of the part which was broken, as you can see on the left the little post is snapped off which holds the setting cog next to it. every time i put my keyless back together i thought you put the post in the hole and then put the setting cog on the post, i did think every time that is a very poor design but carried on anyway.it only became aparent there was an issue when i spoke to a few members and they pointed it out. thanks again guys. so while i was planning on stripping my watch again i decided i would buy all the new keyless works parts and cogs from http://www.cousins.co.uk so i shouldnt get the same issues in the near future. yes and you can see from the pictures i thought i would grab a couple of new spring bars for my strap incase i broke one...i thought i ordered 4 but i got 100 !!! so if anyone needs a spring bar or two let me know i'm sure i have a few spare whilst i was taking my watch apart again i decided to upgrade to a gen crown and tube as i had previously seen so many posts and topics about the subject. heres a couple of pics of the parts if anyone needed the part numbers. and heres a couple of before pics of the crown well i found a few thread on replacing the tube on the internet and thought that sounds pretty simple. the only worry is you have to get the old tube out of the case without damaging it, it was a bit worrying as once you start theres no turning back!!! not good when it's your favourite watch which you've only had a couple of weeks and costs you a few hundred pounds, i mean come on you wouldn't buy a £300 tv and take it apart in the first 2 weeks! anyway heres a few pics firstly strip out the case back,dial, movement, take strap off and wrap in electrical tape to ensure its safe from pointy screw drivers and pliers!!!! Then remove the stock crown,now i started off trying to remove this with a pair of small needle nose pliers as shown in picture but got to a point where i couldn't get the tube out so i used my made shift chisel and hammer and simple knocked it out, just take your time and try not to damage the case or crystal.once its out then just file the inside hole to clean up edges not to make hole any bigger as the gen tube is smaller than the rep tube. now thats done i simply cleaned up the hole and mixed up some chemical metal and put a small amount in the hole and on the thread of the gen tube as pointed out with the toothpick. Then i insulated one side of the watch and one side of my g clamp to protect the watch case and tube. clamp it up and leave it for at least 24 hours. whilst that was drying i took a couple of comparison pictures of the gen and rep crown and you can also notice in the picture with the stem fitted how much more sturdy it is, as the stem in the rep crown is very floppy and lose. rep crown on the left and gen on the right. this is the end result of the gen crown/tube install now that was all back together i started enjoying my watch and actually wearing it and not using it as an experiment on how to fix something i don't know the first thing about ! Then came my next problem,during the many dismantles of my watch i managed to slightly damage the dial and scratch the hands from removing the hands to many times, mainly from trying to set up hands for date change at midnight, which i can say after lots of attempts my watch now flips date at 11:58 so i'm pretty happy with that, any way the dial and hands wasn't majorly noticable but i could see it, none of my freinds noticed but it bugged me. so luckily i met a new member on rwg who sorted me out a gen dial at an amazing price! thanks again buddy your an absolute legend! so now i've got the gen dial but due to its radioactive lume it has i had to invest in gen hands as it would look completely out of place. so thats what ive been doing today.fitting dial and hands. onto the pics. one last before pic with white numbers firstly out with the old heres a couple of comparison shots of rep and gen dial, rep with white numbers and gen with orange. to me the only obvious difference is the date window which looks amazing on the gen and the gen dial is more gloss finished and the rep dial being more matte finish.if you clean the rep dial with a polishing cloth it leaves marks whereas on the gen it cleans it up a treat. and one other difference being the dial feet, these are in the same place as the rep but are too short for the dial feet clamps on the movement,so all i did was put a couple of small blobs of super glue on the movement clamp to hold it whilst i fitted the hands.just enough so that it would be easily removed if need be. the lettering looks pretty spot on,great rep its just mainly the lume that lets it down. I apologize in advance for the next photos as my camera was playing up today and some pictures are not great, oh and the dust factor!!! Right onto the hand install,the easiest way to do this i found is to use rodico putty/blue tac to hold hands and then push on with hand tool. also make sure when you fit hands there is a good gap between the hands so that they don't touch each other or the dial,logo or hour markers because this with jam them up or damage them. heres a few comparison pics of the gen vs rep hands, again the rep hands are very good,they look pretty much spot on again the only big tell is the lume strength which isn't a major issue if your not fussed about it. Here we have the gen on right and rep on left. sorry about the seconds hand pic really hard to get both points in focus,even though the pics don't show it the gen orange tip really is alot brighter than it looks, i just didnt get a great picture. now thats all done onto the finished article and you can see how the radioactive lume wants to get shining in the next picture,this was just from working on the dial today in the light. And finally the lume shot i also got myself some dry chain lube in the week and cleaned and lubed my strap.which has made it feel amazingly smooth and silk like feel,a must mod to anyone with a stainless strap,i then went over it with a bit of scotch brite to polish out any scratches. heres a couple more shots And there we have it. hope you enjoyed my thread as much as i did building this watch.I must want to say a Hugh thanks to every one who has helped me with information or parts,I couldn't have got this far with out you or rwg. thanks for looking, and now onto the next project my upo 45 beater! Ryan