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The so called moonphase in the Patek is probably Chinese version of an Miyota (SEIKO type cheap rotor) I guess a number of Poljot handwound movements as in the so called Buran moonphase is a candidate movement that could pop up in some replicas too

it sure is beautiful ...but wasent that awfully expensive

impossible do you think I am lame.... its really enough to mention the basic/underlying ETAs IMO...obviously I sa that one coming so seen this automatic ST19 movements in reps yet? bet its only a question of time

Great personality

very masculine watch

:bangin: :bangin: i know the feeling

cool

Is this replica evolution unfolding before our eyes The Zigmeister? In the early 1960's the Venus watch company sold the design and tools of the aging calibre Venus 175 to the Chinese (SEA-GULL). With a few modifications, a limited run was produced for the Chinese air force. In the early 21st century, Sea-Gull revived the design, upgraded it, and released it as the ST19 (we know this one well and is often horribly misslabeled as Lemania). The ST1940 version adds auto-winding. Now autowinding is a great addition and to me a very surprising addition to the well known ST19 from Sea-Gull..and possibly enables it to truly rival the different Asian 7750 versions However because of technical issues some are speculating if the 1940 is actually new variation on the Auto Chronograph theme, despite it being in the ST19 family...but to the eye it seem to use the same parts as the 1901 and Automatic wind is likely an direct add on. What do you think? is it an improvement? and do any of you already have this movement in your replicas? The automatic ST19 (aka TY2940) (aka ST1940) http://www.chinesewr...9/18/234551.jpg http://www.chinesewr...9/18/234528.jpg http://www.seagullhk...iXin.asp?ID=691 So a true 1950s Swiss chronograph design and workings, no structural changes to the base movement layout, with auto-winding module added, and still of acceptable size to many applications it is interesting to note that I have heard that of makers in different countries using the ST19. Sea-Gull (China), Plazeon (Thailand), Riedenschild (Germany), Soyuz (Russia), Invicta (USA) and possibly also Haurex (Italy)... Distinct Automatic Chronograph Movements know to me: Seiko 6138/9Heuer/Breitling/Hamilton-Buren/Dubois-Depraz Cal 11Zenith El Primero (3019PHC, 400, 410,etc...)Lemania 1340/1Lemania 1350 / Ebel 137Lemania 5100ETA/Valjoux 7750Piguet 1185Piguet 1285 (Omega 33XX)Rolex 4030Rolex 4130Citizen 8100/10Seiko 7015/6/7/8Seiko 6S27/28Seiko 8R28Sea Gull ST1940Breitling B01ETA A08ETA C01Jaegar LeCoultre 751Glashutte Original 95IWC 89360Patek 28-520Piaget 880PChopard LUC 10FETA Valgranges A07.21 (Concord C1)Guess some are missing like the ones from fromer eastblock countries?

Yes! That has the Sea-Gull ST1908 (modified VENUS 175) movement However we still do not know if it has a true 29.5 day cycle moonphase and how accurate it is at that

I have to admit that my largest disappointment was the RWG watch a homage to RWG and the OMEGA Railmaster (also known as the Granmaster) A pretty good project at the start that went terribly wrong when BLADE took over the project I got two different versions...the first Limitcd cdition (yes the Chinese used c instead of e on this prototype) and the version that BLADE ordered that came in a nice wooden box but BLADE diseapeeared alegedly to jail for having avoided the draft in jugoslavia/serbia (at least it arrived to some of the people that ordered it) I give you the prototype and one of a kind:

Update What I think we know at this point in time List of

Thank you Omni

The 7751 moonphase (Swiss VALJOUX calibre 7751 = now ETA 7751)

Super input Slickdick and alligoat So can we probably now finaly say that the 7751 is a true 29.5 day moonphase complication also found in replicas. Agreed? But we have still have to pin down the facts: Guess this is an ASIAN 7751? What about the SEA-GULL and other Chinese complications found in replicas...are they true and tested (29.5 day cycle) moon-phases? Would be greatful if any member has tested this and divulge us with the details. Anyone that has bought that Longines and van inform us? I want to know more

Funny thing that a moon watch without a moonphase complication altogether.....maybe it should be renamed ...the japanses have taken it more literally

HUBLOT is trying to stay hot.......when they launch the Lady Gaga version we will know that they are truly desperate

I am glad you are happy mbjoer, nothing is better than that you are satisfied with the watch and in ligth of that and your physical proof of purchase I can understand that you do not understand the questions(s). I would be very happy to learn how many days your watch takes to complete one cycle. but I will try to make my convoluted questions clearer: Q1. Establish how many different movements in replicas can be considered to be true moonphases (i.e. approximately 29.5 days per cycle) Q2. establish how many are actually faux (and the different types of those ie 31 day cycles = kinda OK but still faux, 24h cycles = actually day/night indicator) but presently being presented as a moonphase watch a side effect of such knowledge is to further inform people what they are actually being offered....enlighten some about what a moonphase really is.....and also so that this info is carried over to the descriptions of watches offered

no it will not good choice

BaselWorld 2010: Sellita SW500 Chronograph Movement http://blog.perpetuelle.com/index.php/watch-news/baselworld-2010-sellita-sw500-chronograph-movement/

actually 29.5 a day becomes unaccurate with time seriously 29,5 days is good enough for me for now...and do any replicas follow the lunar cycle of 29.5 days????

Yes and thanks dluddy and we need some informed opinion on how close...+\- 2-5 days or more??? and we need to know if the better such movements are actually in our replicas

What definition would you be happy with slickdick? Yes! how do we define "true moonphase" this is the question Some obviously define it extremely loosely..way too loosely if you aske me. I welcome various examples to be posted by you and others in this thread:animal_rooster: Some define it to be without a smiling sun...exact length of cycle less important Horologists define it to actually follow the lunar cycle In replicas i guesss we would like to define it as one that approximates the lunar cycle....at least not just a day\night indicator masqueraded as a moonphase (=faux)

Venus, venus, venus......no replicas with "lemania" are around. Lemania is a mistake that should have been erradicated years ago but is unfortunately still used by some vendors. its a modified VENUS 175 movement