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ST1908: The queen. Date register at 12, real moon phase at 6????????can we be sure it is a genuine moonphase???? and is the ST1908 in replicas?? Link to PDF with details http://www.tjseagull.com/wkt/19/1908w.pdf Only Chinese lettering in this one http://www.tjseagull.com/s/1908s.pdf

M308S a ST2528 Sea-Gull movement claimed to have moonphase....the other one is the ST1908..but details still unclear

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MMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm......interesting indeed..... It seems the moonphase application is connected to the date...if so this is a great improvement over the often used 24hour connection (12h/24h indicator connection = actually a day/night indicator = faux moonphase) need more details....what is the movement used here? If it is this one its not much of an improvement : Movement: Asia Automatic 21Jewel Movement with Calender and Power Reserve Functions Functions: Hours, Minutes, Seconds ( 4.00 subdial) Date (8.00 subdial), Sun-Moon Phase, and Power Reserve indicator ( 10.00 Indicator Dial)

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This is very very interesting Reg Could you post some more information and details about these? I would like to know more Happy Timekeeping Gunnar

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There is lots of claims that the SEA-GULL M199s moon-phase chronograph is a true moon phase watch...and this is likely sporting the same movement as in some replicas (or at least another version of the same VENUS 175 based SeaGull movement)...I wonder is it really a true moonphase? ..as it is the closest one to the real-deal I have seen but details of the actual function of this moon-phase is still unclear

http://www.prestiget...19-Movement.jpg Picture of a true moonphase movement Moonphase set inside the seconds sub-dial. The Moonphase differs from some Moonphase which advance once a day - this Moonphase is actually connected to the seconds hand & continuously advances to the tune of a full revolution per lunar cycle. Obviously we can not expect anything close to the accuracy in this Lange but again my questions are what is the best approximation available in replicas? and how many replicas are being adverted as moon phase but actually has both a sun and a moon on the moonphase dial? and other variants?

So are there any true moon phase complications in replicas out there or not? What I would like the know is the following: 1. How many replicas described as having a moon phase actually have not only a moon but also a smiling sun on that revolving moon fase indicator (replies with pictures would be great) 2. How many replicas actually have two moons (no sun that is) on their revolving moon phase indicator? (pictures of these would be even better) 3. Are there any replicas with something close to a true moon phase? (For instance this is not good enough: ST1903 has 3 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3. 24 h register at 6 (non chrono again), The 24h indicator is directly synchronized with main hour hand, either used as 24h indicator or with the hand replaced by a day/night disk as a faux moon phase - day night indicator) I have read that the ST1908: 4 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3, date at 12, real moon phase is it a real moon phase? Happy Timekeeping Gran:drinks:

Well maybe there is no smiling sun and thats truly great..maybe I was too harsh But regarding the moonphase mbjoer is not true that: "The 24h indicator is directly synchronized with main hour hand, either used as 24h indicator or with the hand replaced by a day/night disk as a faux moon phase - day night indicator." The ST1901 movement is nearly identical to the Venus 175 - parts are interchangeable. But the movement is not a copy or clone. It actually is the Venus 175, because Seagull has purchased the tooling from Venus in the early 1960ies. Seagull did copy the tooling to be able to produce at 2 locations. Differences or improvements to the Venus 175 are the increased beat (the Venus only had 18000 bph) and an added incabloc style shock absorber. As far as I know the movement comes in at least 6 variants: ST1901 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 (Ex Venus 175 - parts compatible, Venus parts can be used for repair) ST1902 3 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 12 h register at 6 (non chrono!), The 12h register's hand is directly geared to the main hour hand - bloody useless. See the "Schaferwatches" 3-register chrono, the 12h in the register is always in the same position as the main hour hand. ST1903 3 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 24 h register at 6 (non chrono again), The 24h indicator is directly synchronized with main hour hand, either used as 24h indicator or with the hand replaced by a day/night disk as a faux moon phase - day night indicator. ST1905 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 decentral power reserve at 4:30 (Plazeon chronos) ST1907 2 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 central power reserve indicator ST1908 4 register, small seconds at 9, 30 min counter at 3 date at 12 day/night window at 6

V. Nice with those 2 crowns

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Excellent first choice for a replica. The watch of a gentlemann! Happy timekeeping Gunnar Gran!

Maybe one of the OMEGAs get the watch you like the most rather than the best imitation

Wow! Its actually a bit masculine. maybe this is a CARTIER that could get some seruious wristtime (= not only for cocktail parties and the like)

Super Truly great to hear that you have moved on to Genuines... ..even so I think having people that collect genuines on this board board is a big pluss and hope that you will continue here and post your genuines and tell us whats great about them all the best Gunnar:drinks:

A must for am AP collector....but guess one could only wear it with something equally red....like a red sportscar

I disagree. the movement is such an important issue . I seriously question if making replicas of such a complicated watch makes any sense at all. It looks good but everything else about the watch is a lie.. wearing such a watch with faux functions is no fun to me. would make me embarrased. Imagine meeting a true horologist wearing this thing and it turns out that the moon phase is a simple day night indicator..abdominal if its during the day time and a smiling sun appears.

Nice:thumbsupsmileyanim: Love that snow and olympics coming up

A true IWC classic indeed its just a simple uncomplicated watch but perfroming beautifully at that

anything that makes reps better is just super. this is the kind of efforts that are to be lauded/praised. Excellent work theflyingdutchman and co. Happy watchmaking Gunnar (who once tried leading an watch project himslef..but ran into some problems)