SmoothOperator

Did you get this direct from KenTrading? or a reseller. I'm very curious as I'm looking at getting the MM20 .. but at US$900 + shipping .. that would be over the au$1000 limit for GST / customs / duty free threshold. Was yours marked at transaction price or under ?? btw ... NICE Watch

Did you have to pay customs for this? how much was did it cost for entry?

I second Narikaa's comments. Certainly not a good buy. Cheap rep. Here's a review comparing two similar reps .. one bought from a site such as SharperImage which misrepresents its products http://www.timezone.com/library/extras/ext...766575540468750 not exactly the same model that you link to .. but I'm sure you'll get the idea. The cheapest that I heard of a Working Chinese tourbillon is just under us$700. Here's a link to some real working tourbillons http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...amp;hl=sea-gull

Here's another find as well .. All about the GuangZhou Watches Market of China ... Read all about it HERE .................. GuangZhou China Watches & Clocks Wholesale Market, is the largest Wholesale market on Watches and Clocks in China, Even in The world. Multitudinous parts Manufacturers and Finished Watches Suppliers are supplying all kinds of Fashion watches here. Welcome to GuangZhou watches & Clocks Wholesale market! GuangZhou City is the most important wholesale center for watches and clocks in China. And The watch markets of GuangZhou city converge at ZanXi Road, GuangZhou city. The wholesale business began in 1987, and now it's known well all over the world. In ZanXi Road, There are 8 wholesale markets for watches and clocks. They are : 1. Southern Trade Center of Horology 2. ZhanXi KowLoon Watch Center 3. Southern Watch Trade Centre 4. East Watch City 5. MongKok International Watch Center 6. New KowLoon Watch Center 7. West Station Clock and Watch City 8. XX Watch city 9. SanYi Watch city And more than 3000 companies engage in wholesale business of watches and clocks parts. Most of the manufacturers are from all parts of China, Some of them are famous watch and clock manufacturers in China or in the world. In this market, there are multitudinous parts Manufacturers, Parts markets, low-cost labour force, Domestic and International Transportation companies, Import and Export companies and developed ability of traffic. All these conditions supply advantage for the developement of the market. In this market, there are the most styles, the newest designs and the best price! It's the optimal watch and clock market in the world! At present, The wholesale markets in ZanXi Road, wholesale the watches and clocks internally and abroad. Businessmen around the world are attracted to it by its reputation as wholesale business of watches and clocks. And now the foreign trading business is becoming more and more important to it. We welcome all the businessmen all over the world, to ZanXi Watch and clock Market of GuangZhou. About The Website Our website is specialized to serve Gunagzhou watch and Clock market. We bend ourselves to expedite spreading information of local market abroad. We try to build a bridge between the suppliers and the buyers. Most of the suppliers don't have websites and catalogs in the market. So many local and foreign businessmen feel inconvenient when they want to view the products information. Especially for the foreign or remote buyers, it's so difficult to do that. And most of the suppliers don't know English or other foreign languages. So it often baffles the foreign buyers When they want to discuss the business. Base on these precondition, we decided to build a website, which will diffuse product information fleetly,expressly, widely. At the same time, we will also be the bridge between the suppliers and buyers. There are two versions for our website: English and Chinese. There are more than 900 pictures , 1600 kinds of watches and 36 suppliers in the database of the website, to serve all the clients. Welcome to The Site of Guangzhou Watch Market of China!

The links are on the website ... they're just hidden .. {hint: click "WARNING"}

Follow this LINK to read ALL about the RXW MM20 In short: The MARINA MILITARE is the world’s first combat diver watch, made by ROLEX on a request from the Italian Navy in 1939 (15 years before the birth of the submariner!). A private Collector in Japan had two of these .. he pulled one apart and made a VERY ACCURATE Version. .. Much better than the official Panerai release. Read the above link

EMS should normally take 3-5 days, airmail 5-10 days. Just check with your dealer that the watch actually made it out of China as China customs has been pretty active the last couple of months with lots of watches being siezed and destroyed if they don't have the correct/legitimate paperwork. I also notice that you're from Colombia .. that may have something to do with it to ?

Zeno Army ?

a Girard- Perregaux

WOW .. just .. STUNNING .. true to the original specs When you say you got this awhile ago .. are you talking a couple of years or months ... Just wanted to know if yours is the 2005/2006 re-release model or from the original production run.

Have a great trip Admin, Maybe if you could have a look into those Sea-Gull Tourbillons .. I'll be interested .. seems that they will sell at least 50% off the "listed" prices I wonder how much more you could talk them down?

And finally .. although not a tourbillon and no prizes for guessing what watch it was based on: here's a nice skeleton:

and one more:

And another:

And another example:

Does anyone recognise this watch? This is the Sea-Gull version with working Tourbillon. I'm wondering if it is based on a GEN watch or if it is in fact an "original" design If you find the GEN .. please post a pic. (I will transfer you some RWG-CASH)

I'm just linking to the guys posts .. he is a Moderator on WUS. Anyway .. a chinese member of WUS who lives in Beijing, went to the Tianjin (Sea-Gull) Factory and wrote a small reveiw .. (for Pics .. follow the link) http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=13656 ............................. Tianjin Seagull Factory Visit - 21st MAY, 2006 I drove from Beijing to Tianjin today with a couple of friends. While we were there, we visited the Seagull watch factory in hopes of finding a 1963 Chronograph re-issue. The factory is in the southwestern section of Tianjin. The sales office is open on Saturdays until 4pm. We were met by one of the sales managers and shown the collection in the showroom. We saw the Tourbillon model (list price ¥19,000), along with some other nice models. The manager told us that they are not focusing on retail locations in China because they don't make much money due to the heavy discounts. They've done a few promotional sales events in Beijing stores, but these promotions come and go. Unfortunately, they didn't have a 1963 Chronograph, so I decided on their thinnest automatic watch. This watch houses the Seagull ST-18 movement (automatic, sweep second, date @ 3). The factory showroom will give a 50% discount off list price. If you buy more than one you should be able to negotiate a little further. They told me that they manufacture all components for their watches at this location (except for the straps). The employees are all trained in-house. I spoke with them about their new developments - they've completed a repeater, and will have their minute repeater development finished in three months (so about AUGUST). I've attached a few pictures, but one of my friends took higher quality pictures that I'll post later. - Jon ........................... This is what I found the most interesting quote "The factory showroom will give a 50% discount off list price. If you buy more than one you should be able to negotiate a little further"

Yes .. and I like this post .. Chinese Skeletons .. a rough guide : http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=5562 WOW ... now you know where our reps are coming from below is directly from the link above .. (PICs available .. follow the link) .......................... Chinese skeletons - a rough guide There's quite a few types of skeleton movement being currently produced in China. here are all the ones that I could think of: Standard movement Made in Nanning and designated NN9500, it is surely being made in other factories too. I would guess that Liaoning probably make one. International spare parts catalogues call it CHI-2650S. They're extremely common and quality is usually low. SS5 variant A mid-sized movement, originally made by Shanghai Watch Factory. I don't know who is making the skeleton versions. Hangzhou Another common one with the internet brands. Based on an old Seiko design. Accurate, but sometimes fragile. Also available with 3 or 4 sub-dials. Now for the high-grade stuff Sea-Gull ST17 A fairly radical skeleton cut of Sea-Gull's popular ST17. Available in hand-wind or automatic. PTS Resources tourbillon China's first skeleton tourbillon. Cool, eh? Sea-Gull ST19 Not to be outdone, Sea-Gull have skeletonized their ST19 column-wheel chronograph Sea-Gull ST80 tourbillon and best of all, they've taken their best movement ever and turned it into China's most elegant skeleton ever

Thanks Pug, Also if you're really interested .. check out Chascomm's work over at WUS. Chinese Watch Industry Links: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=746 Great site for sleuthing

Still waiting on the Cashiers Booth to open up (hint: admins) Need my money

If it wasn't for the Tax man .. I wouldn't of went back but after getting taxed again for over $2k in less than a week .. I was desperate for MORE CASH and decided to head on back to the RWG Casino International .. and off to my favorite machine .. LOST MASK .. After a LONG HARD night on the machine, a crowd had gathered to watch me make back that lost tax money. .. .. I didn't find the LOST MASK .. but did stumble on the family of chetahs .. twice everyone was cheering ... The casion though .. wasn't happy .. they closed the cashiers booth .. .. here's a pic: $2,297

I've been winning on Lost Mask Been cashing out with no problems yesterday .. but went in today with $500 .. played for a few hours and got up to $5,500 Guess what .. couldn't cash out Here's a screen dump:

YES in stock . SALE PRICE .. au$2,746 (approx us$2,025) Black dial, Brown Croc strap.

Price update: (pics to come later tonight) Omega Planet Ocean 45mm dial, Orange/SS .. SALE PRICE au$3,120 (approx us$2,300) Jaeger LeCoultre Master Compressor Dualmatic, SS leather .. SALE PRICE au$5,600 (approx us$4,130) Master Compressor Geographic, SS leather .. SALE PRICE au$9,030 (approx us$6,655) Breguet Marine #5817 with rubber strap .. SALE PRICE au$9,840 (approx us$7,255) Breguet Classique Alarm Reveil du Tsar #5707 watch, 18kt yellow gold case (39mm diameter, 11.25mm thick), crocodile leather strap **this was my favourite piece in the shop STUNNING .. SALE PRICE au$28,730 (approx us$21,185) Girard Perregaux Richville Men's Watch #27650 SS/Croc .. SALE PRIE au$7,670 (approx us$5,655) Girard Perregaux VINTAGE 1845 #25800 YG/Croc .. SALE PRIE au$13,520(approx us$9,965)

OK .. just phoned them first .. Sale price is UP TO 45% off .. there's always a catch. Anyway .. below are the sale prices of IN STOCK items. I'm going in to the shop to take some pics. They do have some JLC, Breguet and Girad Perregaux in stock as well, but Rene didn't want to discuss them over the phone Omega Seamaster 2231.50 (titanium) .. SALE PRICE au$2,665 (approx. us$1,968) Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 .. SALE PRICE au$1,511.25 (approx. us$1,116) TAG HEUER quartz red or black dial F1 chrono .. SALE PRICE au$715 (approx. us$528) Stay tuned .. and post any more requests.