jmarin.72

hello guys

my first rep is bought from a dealer on street here in germany.

here told me that the swiss grad rep is made in switzerland. that

16570 for Wednesday ~

Lani i think that this is...a....hm.....gen ExpII....

sorry man that i had to be the one to break the news to you...i'm really sorry...

Thanks,i will give it a try as soon as i get the CC i ordered from the bay.

Cheers

Great work Samurai!!!way to go

Is there something special we should take notice before or during the re-polish procedure with Cape Cod?

Oh,almost forgot...good luck with the wife 2nite!!!

Great work Samurai!!!way to go

Is there something special we should take notice before or during the re-polish procedure with Cape Cod?

Welcome

I don't know...maybe its a bargain...but then again...VC + 1920's = 1000 euros...something doesn't fit...so unless you have the ability to take it to a VC service center or a watchmaker who really knows...

This is my personal pov though,i dont mean to affect you in any way.

Thanks for listening to my opinion

John

Hi Naveed

Welcome to the boards, hope you get as much out as we all do. BTW, you are now going to be officially skint, this hobby will get its teeth into you real fast

i'll drink to that 1066!!!

Welcome aboard Nav

lots of fun and wisdom in this famiy

welcome mate

Hi,

I want to know where to buy a Rolex Deepsea from Europe.. I know that there is good sites to buy it, but I really need to get it shipped from Europe, because of customs... I have already 6 watches hold on customs

So, to avoid any more loses, I can't order from outside Europe..

Thanks for your tips...

6 watches held in customs?where are u located?did you ordered them all at once?please forgive me for asking but it seems a little strange that all 6 were

held in customs.sometimes it takes a little time to get cleared out of the customs,this does not mean that they were seized.

No worries bro. Didn't take it that way. Nice to make your aquaintance BTW.

As a side note, funny you should say that as I had a couple TAGs over the years although I don't hve one at the moment, and as I recall the crowns were all kind of stubborn and difficult to turn, get threaded right, etc. I wonder if it is something to do with the tubes they use or the way they are seated or something?

I always wonder about that stuff. Like the UPO rep crown issue BTW. I have a gen PO and the crown is one of the smoothest I have so I wonder why the design would somehow cause a problem with that particular rep. I mean I know the movements are different but both ETA so it shouldn't really matter.

Meanwhile, I have a gen IWC Aquatimer and that crown is the worst. Takes me two tries usually and great care to get it threaded right. As I recall the rep felt the same. Go figure...

Nice to talk to you also mate.Just for the record i've been reading your posts from my day1 in RWG but i never got the chance to

say hi.

As for the crowns...i agree...go figure!!!

C u later R.

You are generalizing here my friend - many are actually. "Waste", along with some other words getting tossed around are relative terms. You are also speaking of your expereince only which doesn't have to happen to others. As an example, I have at one time had maybe 30 gens to the tune of 100k invested or more and never once had any problems with them. I also had in that exact same time another 30 reps and had to fix nearly all of them at my expense. I too have sent reps back to China and had all of them replaced for free if defective which is standard now. Of course if the gens were defective they would have been replaced too. LOL.

Sorry about your TAG experience, but we can't use that to generalize a discussion of the merits of reps and gens - or how some watches break and others don't. Or I suppose we can, but that would be a poll thread. Both reps and gens have all the merit in the world and again, as I said in my OP, the only question is how each of us perceives quality as it is subjective, and how each of us makes choices based on those perceptions. There is no right answer. Multiple choice...

Point taken,your opinion is greatly respected Robbie.Of course most of the things we do or say are based on

our personal experiences.And of course i am not using my bad experience as a standard,that would be most inappropriate .I just thought

it would be a nice chance to post an experience i had ,not regarding the quality of the watch but mostly the customer service i have been given

by both the gen and the rep dealers.

Thanks for reading my post but mostly thanks for your reply,your opinion is always appreciated.

John

I seriously wonder people who say that "reps are crap compared to gens". That might be true when we're talking about high horology pieces like Breguet and Vacheron, but Rolex, TAG, Ebel, Omega, Breitling, etc. are all mass produced watches, and the reps are actually damn good and accurate. Especially those that have ETA & Valjoux 7750 gen counterparts. At least Rolex only uses the inhouse movements, and I can see why that's important for some... but most gen Breits, Omegas, TAGs... very good and solid automatic watches, but if we're honest they're nothing that special mechanically.

If someone says the reps of these watches are crap and "full of flaws", I think the person has lost his perspective. They're amazingly accurate and close to the gen "feel" in every possible way. Look at reps like Ebel Discovery for Christ's sakes... what "flaws" you're talking about? Or the new BCE... those possible flaws are so ridiculously small... and they're still rather obscure models... I mean, who could possibly be geek enough to give a crap?

Maybe I'm just not WIS enough... but it doesn't really make a lot of difference to me whether I'm wearing my gen or rep Rolex. They feel and look 99% the same. GMT Master II is a bit different for me, because I like the mechanics of 3185. It's a great movement that reps can never duplicate properly. But modern Subs, Sea Dwellers, etc. I'd never invest $5k on one.

I couldn't have said it better BT...

I would like to post a personal experience regarding the rep vs gen thing.

I had to pay 80 euros for a crown problem on a gen TAG CARRERA CHRONO although it was within warranty time

(8 months old in a 2 year warranty limit)just because the authorized service wouldn't cover any crown damage issues

only mechanical damage...cost of the watch nearly 3000euros.

Since then i had 3 reps (total worth of 900 $)with the same problem sent to my CN dealer,all of which were repaired free of

cost and shipped back to me on behalf of my dealer's expenses (total shipping cost of 75 $).

Could some one explain to me why should i waist 3000 euros or more on a gen and not get the proper customer friendly service i should get

for a purchase at this cost?And on the other hand i get a more than customer friendly service from an unknown CN person-dealer,all for free...

Beats me...

Thanks for listening guys.

I seriously wonder people who say that "reps are crap compared to gens". That might be true when we're talking about high horology pieces like Breguet and Vacheron, but Rolex, TAG, Ebel, Omega, Breitling, etc. are all mass produced watches, and the reps are actually damn good and accurate. Especially those that have ETA & Valjoux 7750 gen counterparts. At least Rolex only uses the inhouse movements, and I can see why that's important for some... but most gen Breits, Omegas, TAGs... very good and solid automatic watches, but if we're honest they're nothing that special mechanically.

If someone says the reps of these watches are crap and "full of flaws", I think the person has lost his perspective. They're amazingly accurate and close to the gen "feel" in every possible way. Look at reps like Ebel Discovery for Christ's sakes... what "flaws" you're talking about? Or the new BCE... those possible flaws are so ridiculously small... and they're still rather obscure models... I mean, who could possibly be geek enough to give a crap?

Maybe I'm just not WIS enough... but it doesn't really make a lot of difference to me whether I'm wearing my gen or rep Rolex. They feel and look 99% the same. GMT Master II is a bit different for me, because I like the mechanics of 3185. It's a great movement that reps can never duplicate properly. But modern Subs, Sea Dwellers, etc. I'd never invest $5k on one.

I couldn't have said it better BT...

I ve got the white dial version,purchased 14 months ago from my dealer.

The watch is good and accurate enough,the ony major flaw is the lack of AR which is unique to Breit watches and takes the watch

on to another level.But nothing to worry about,a double AR treatment from Chief will fix this.

It is a very eye catching watch,the side ruler is functional and accurate and regarding the 7750 reliability on this watch

i have had no problems till now.In case you are wondering about the small pin pusher button on the upper left side of the

case it is used to scroll through the weekdays.

Wear it well and in good health for it is an awesome watch

John

And why would you want papers? Do you carry them around to proof your watch is gen? Do you invite people to your home to look at the papers? In my opinion replicated papers stimulate and enourage scamming. Maybe not you but perhaps the person you might sell the watch to in the future....

People with gen watches (I'm one) keep their certificates and papers locked up in a safe. And if anyone would ever doubt the authenticity of my watch and wants to see the papers, my reaction would be to 'F off'! (sales excluded ).

Totally agree with this one.

Besides if someone would ever doubt the authenticity of my watches

i would dare him to buy any of them from me along with the paperwork

This would be the only way for him to take a close look at the paperwork

Papers are for sale purposes only.You dont just walk around with your house

papers in your pocket,or do you?

Cheers

Great presentation b16

Thanks for the effort.

I

Most comfortable SSD + Breit Montbrillant Datora

Less comfortable PAM 063 with rubber strap

Movement type: Battery Quartz. Well, there's your answer.

+1

Thank you for this informative review Francisco !

Well written and documented with pictures - very clear and understandable.

Unfortunately we have found another product on the market which is described/advertised with lies... So one has always to be cautious when new movements appear... Very sad indeed since we are (as a big community) fighting for better quality and transparency in advertising for years now !

+1

So much for the "stick to our trusted dealers" moto...

It is very disappointing and i would really like to listen to what Jos has to say

about this review.

Thumbs up to Francisco for the effort and the money he put on this review in order

to open our eyes wide enough to see the trouth behind the marketing lies.

Thanks

Hello guys

The way i see it based on my personal experience,99% out there have not the slightest clue on how to recognize

a gen over a fake watch.The other 1% are the percentage of the guys who are hanging around in RWG!!! and it is

mostly unlikely they would live near me,thankfully

And most of the other guys who are posting at the so called "gen watches" forums also don't know the differences

between gens and reps,maybe because they do not care about them.

I believe that because all of us who are posting and reading in RWG or RG or RWI have all the info about the reps coming out

of ppl extremely experienced on the rep industry and perfectionists (like most of us in here!!!)we tend to think that everyone out

there can spot a rep watch in a sec.This is not whats really happening actually.Out there only a few ppl are actually paying attention

to the watch you are wearing and only 1 out of the 100 can really spot if it is real or fake,but not without a close inspection and not

without the benefit of the doubt.I mean,i could spot a replica watch but it has to be very inaccurate as a replica(a Quartz sub or the

inaccurate recessed DW of a NAVI for example)but if it was a high end modded replica i would still had my doubts and of course i couldnt

jump into a conclusion strong enough to call out the owner.

What i am trying to say is that the fear of being called out is mostly psychological to me cause i know that only a few can really tell

and not without a very close and thorough inspection.I have friends with gen rolex watches and we have put side by side my reps and their gens and still could not spot a difference between them,let alone other brands who are not so well known as the Rolex name.

Of course i am not stupid or confident enough to take my rep to an AD or a watchmaker and try to pass it as a gen!!!although i am not

quiet convinced whether an AD employee has the knowledge to spot the differences between a high end modded rep and a gen!!!

Besides there are way to many guys out there with rolex watches on their wrists,so i doubt if anyone would even care to notice them.

Most will assume they are fakes but many more wont even care.Today ppl have way to many problems in their minds and focusing on

the watch you are wearing isn't one of them...For me the best way to defend myself from someone who is trying to call my rep out is the

use of the knowledge i am getting from this forum.By knowing all the flaws and the history of the watch i am wearing i can hide them

from being spotted and also i can give a very good argument to the person who is trying to call me out.(Also a few good mods will come in handy!!! )

Thanks for listening to my opinion and sorry for the long talk!!!

John