sssurfer

Awesome!

But how did you manage to protect the "radionir panerai" writings from your airbrush work, Flav?!?

SS = stainless steel -- not to be confused with

SSS = sssurfer (myself)

DW = datewheel

CG = crown guard (especially used for that sort of a bulging tumor on PAM Luminor models)

BS = oh, well...

Oh my! Both wonderful!

I especially love the Fiddy, I would never figure out that a carbon strap would fit so nicely with it.

PVD: ask Finepics or palpatine. Both EU located.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/mess...NERAI+PROTOTYPE

This thing is great. I would love to see better pictures of the metal though.

Nice find, thanks for sharing!

Just, I personally feel the owner a little too enthusiastic (even if comprehensibly) when he claims:

"... an officially certified part of Panerai watch experimentation history, showing several interesting links between the Vintage, Pre V and Vendome watches we see today and ideas never commercially put into production.

It was conceived and produced in the first years of the Vendome Panerai take over, giving it an overlap of both the oldest and most cutting edge Panerai ideas and styles."

"the first years of the Vendome Panerai take over" actually place it after the mid '90s and qualify it 'just' as a prototype on mixed and confused thoughts and things near to come. What any PAM lover would rather need are insights on the most obscure age of the Panerai history, i.e. the 60-80s years.

That said, I would probably give a finger to have it.

The first 44mm models were the 5218-201/A "Logo" Luminor (1993) and the 5218-202/A Marina Militare (1993). No second hand, though.

The first 44mm model w/ second hand was the 5218-203/A Luminor Marina (1994).

'Paneristi' is already plural, no need to say "paneristis".

The singular is "panerista". One panerista, two paneristi.

I may be able to be helpful creating a template, but I need to know the following info:

Would +/- .008mm be a tight enough tolerance for the openings on the template?

Is clarity of the template an issue?--I'm thinking you don't want it clear to make alignment easier. I do know of a clear material that won't remove any paint--it's made specifically for masking.

Can someone verify that there is a material used by manufaturers as a template?--I assume lume is applied this way at both rep and gen dial factories....

Hi John, thanks for entering into the subject.

But I see you are heading towards screen printing... sorry, I have no experiences or info about it.

@flav & rogerwine: thanks for making it clear!

@greetz: use a fine oiler (black handle). Do some search, there are several posts about the subject here.

that's correct. the old lume on the sandwich dials can not be removed without damaging the dial.

Is that a thing of the Davidsen's sandwich dials? Is it because the two layers are firmly tied together, or because the lume is firmly sticking on the inner layer?

I removed the lume from a 203 sandwich dial and I found it easy to separate the two layers (but they were loosely tied) and remove the lume.

Am I correct by doing this the tube part holding the stem will then be longer, so at the same time the stem has to be trimmed shorter to fit into the movt to give the correct working distance?

Yep

Thanks! That was an excellent post, although I'm looking more on buying from our dealers here. I have looked at Joshua's and Andrew's sites and I wonder if a member have bought one from them....like the PAM195 and what kind of experienced they have with the watch! I'll probably order one from Joshua, though, due to his excellent service and email responses.

Excellent choice.

What that other thread missed to say was that even the rep false-PVD makes the watch a little harder vs. scratches with respect to stainless steel. Even if not so hard like real PVD.

In any case, you may have real PVD coat also applied on false PVD any time you might want it in the future...

And, btw, palpatine and Finepics are not dealers but they are great RWG members who provide real PVD service on watches purchased elsewhere.

It just came to my mind that either a) it is not black oxide, or b ) it is not done on stainless steel.

Black oxide is an oxidation process, and stainless steel simply does not oxidate.

Back to the drawing board...

OP just put everything inside: AR, cyclops, money...

Okay, I bit the bullet and ordered this one from HKTan

Ordered it in 24/22mm (115/75). I think I have the sizing right for a PAM111G. My wrist size is 7.25". This is according to research I did on these forums. If I screwed up somewhere, please feel free to elaborate.

I think you did not screw up anywhere.

Just, after having worn 24/22 straps about 1 year along, I came to prefer 24/24.

But 24/22 will allow you to use 22mm buckles with the 'Panerai' mark (no 24mm buckle is available with the Panerai mark, just blank OEM buckles).

So, good choice, congrats!

@sssurfer, no love for the opening poster?

Sure, I'll love anyone who can provide me with an SF240 -- or even just a decent replacement to mod to resemble the real thing.

Some rep straps are not absolutely crap. The strap that I got from Narikaa along with his 203 is good, I won't replace it.

Clive is correct, though. HKTan ones are from an entirely different planet.

(and price)

is anyone elses spideysenses tingling with this thing. it doesnt seem right to me

I have to admit I did not think very much about it, as it is anyway out of my horizon.

And out of curiosity, what is making your spideysenses tingling precisely?

i would love this brown dial, but no one can get it

Well, I just ordered two pieces instead of one. If they both arrive and are as expected, and if by chance you happen to have two movements, we might think about an arrangement of some kind... :D :D :D

Do you mean just placing C1 over the Davidsen original green lume, without removing the original green before placing C1?

Nahhhhhhhhh! For that rusty old thing? Can't even read the time. Who wants it!

I suppose it's a vintage lovers' thing, Tim.

Here actually are forum members who even modify their brand-new watches to look exactly like that one. Have a look at the third pic of Flavor flav's work here.

@deltatahoe: Fiddy's sapphire crystal fits in the 203. I did it. I got that crystal from a member and I do not know where he did take it from, though.

@tourbillon 1801: Joshua advertises all his 203 as with black dial.

The only one who advertises a brown dial 203 is Andrew. I asked him, and he replied he has not that model anymore and it is out of production.

I might have found another possible source for the last pieces available w/ brown dial. But considering what happened to me with an Angelus movement that I found on the bay, I'm not going to reveal my source (if ever) until I'll have the watch in my hands.

Interesting. I'm new to all that glows. So how do they achieve the offwhite or greenish daylight appearance? Mix pigment in with C1?

If you missed it, you might want to have a look at this.

Doesn't beat the $1 million dallar pam I found..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Panerai-PAM203-1950-8-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Yes, I remember that thread of yours, licious.

Still, as the seller admitted he was actually looking to get $105.000 for that watch, we might actually be looking at a close head-to-head rush.

That watch did not get sold. Let's see what happens on 'mine'.

Flav, you might appreciate THIS.