lanikai

first .. welcome to the forum .. I'm sure you will find a lot of interesting reps and members to share your hobby with.. if this is the particular rep you are interested in davidsen (collector) has probably the best 127 out of the box.. you will not need the mods that other reps of the same model may need.. his price is a little more than others but several areas that are already "fixed" cannon pin... lume.. his rep is double AR which is not so on the genuine. the bridges are accurate .. but you should have the members that have more knowledge than I do address these concerns.. sssurfer,.. PAMman,.. kruzer..to name just a few .. seek their help and you will get the proper info .. the one part that is often a concern is the CG (crown guard) but there are fixes to this.. again see about the panerai experts on the forum .. they have a wealth of information.. Live strong and wear it well lani

Well, it is good that no one recieved the pieces that were in the original pic.. and, that thread probably went "invisible" into cyber space somewhere.. since when i originally posted this I wasn't going to link to your forum.. just a heads up is all ... and no I am not trying to "prove" right or wrong... so i defer "references" to the fact that the thread and AD are now invisible.. thanks for your help in cleaning this matter up...Takashi ..

I don't think i need to hunt for the sale thread as i am sure it has been removed or altered..of course .. but the pic posted on the start of this thread was the one that was advertised .. anyway.. i think members are aware of it so "if" it is still around then info was shared by all parties .. except the collector that posted it.. besides.. aren't you a mod on RWI, so you should know and have access to the info if it is around or gone ? and to clarify I believe you stated that the watch is the same as the original release but the pic is of the prototype bottom line we should have the same pictured rep as the one that we get doesn't matter which pic .. before .. after.. makes no difference to me as long as it's the watch we finally end up with.. thanks Lani

Takashi.. why is a pic of the prototype being shown and you not the collector claiming it is the same rep and the same factory.. if so then why the different pic that shows an altogether different watch ?? eith your attention to detail in dials .. being the one to correctly identify flaws on reps. .. i just find it odd that you are "defending' an obvious error .. weather it be in the pic or the watch itself.. "simply" put why not update the pic to show the watch that is really being sold .. does that not sense to you ?? My first and foremost concern was the watch in the pic on RWI was not and is not the original released CD.. look at the inner bezel .. you gonna tell me that "you' don't see a difference ?? when someone say's they are not trying to do something .. they usually are.. would "you" buy a rep or anything for that matter knowing it was a dfferent advertised picture than what was being shipped ?? unless you have a vested interest in this collector .. what is the problem to correct the pic ?? so if members do buy the rep .. they will know what to expect..

WOW .. pearl looks spot on.. oops that's a genuine.. she's a beauty .... Live strong and wear it well UB

didn't you cite other reasons??

With all due respect Ken .. you can jump to conclusions.. as well you are.. there are numerous sources on the internet... i do inquire with several and came up with the same answers.. but the "glaring" if not smoking gun fact is that the pics are not of the original version and hold flaws.. do they not ?? are you saying that this is an acceptable practice to advertise one thing and sell another ?? then how do we know what we are really getting?? do you show pics of one cloth then send out another totally different brand of cloth after your customer pay's for the one he see's in the pic? are my questions out of line.. I don't think they are... one product shown.. pay .. get another totally different one..?? and I am the one being "so called' manipulated.?? is there a language barrier here?? seems like we are on totally different pages..or is it too close to the bone? why not ask why these pics are not the watch actually being sold.. very simple actually Ken.. change the pic to show the actual rep being sold and delivered.. is that all that members have to fall back on is accusing me of ulterior motives.. or are more members being sponsored than we know about ?? My loyalty .. if you want to call it that is to the members of this forum.. and since the member based is shared, this post was for info.. I ... correct me if this is out of line was determining my post as per the pics posted of the IWC CD .. it was not the CD that most of us bought on initial release.. nothing wrong with that .. but be up and up with it.. how is this supposed to benefit anyone but members ??.. See,..now it is i that am confused by your post Ken.... you are a moderator and supposedly by-partisan.. yet a statement referring to the "cartel" and my allegiance seems out of place .. don't you think ?? Makes one wonder.... the mods that have come back from this collector seem all to familiar.. like a signature of sorts.. if this forum is to safeguard against scams and fraud .. then it should be straight across the board ... i have no vested interest in any collector !! my questions went out to a lot of members.. there are dozens of members who actively market and advertise for their respective collectors.. i never do and yet you make this statement ?? a lot of smoke and mirrors to me.. this post was, and is intended to benefit members ... nuf said

well.. i was going to ask the gentlemen posting in defense of the collector who is advertising the CD with erroneous pics if they were in business or making a commission themselves as they are very detailed in their critic of dials and such ...yet for a watch with such obvious flaws they say nothing but ... it is the correct watch but different pic.. so i am to believe that detail is now out the window ?? and furthermore acceptable,..? when they post alway's the details of reps, to the genuines??? I take no offense. i speak as a member of the forum .. i "represent" no one, be it collector or RWG.... I thought everyone from Down Under was related through the "Penal Colony: theory of incest... But seriously,... are you guy's partners in the sale of these reps?? if not why take such personal intrigue to pics that are admittedly not even the correct ones?? look at the inner bezel like night and day.. no trim from the 12 to the 3 .. and you say it is the same watch ??.. so correct the pics and post the correct one.. simple .. no brainer really and we may want to stay on topic instead of misdirection planned posts..

If your not putting "the guy" down.. why are you posting a thread with a one sided story ?? and by all apperances doing just that..and making it appear that it is totally "not like that at all" BTW .. take your 7750 to a watchsmith.. find one in the yellow pages.. or an AD for example and ask to be quoted the price for full servicing... should be somewhere in the nieghborhood of 700 usd... fo real... that is what a full service cost...it not like changing a battery .. as a lot of so called watchsmiths cannot even do this properly The factory servicing is good with some makers and not good with others ... regardless, most of my A7750 movements will be serviced at some point and time. If your actions were as harmless as you are saying I doubt anyone would have cause to block you just my 2 cents Lanikai

ok then why is the pic a prototype and not the actual rep being sold since the CD has been out for a long while and the price has actually dropped (298 usd) why all the inconsistencies ?? if you are laying down money don't you want to see the actual item.. and not excuses as to why not ? with all the attention to detail from members spotting flaws, it may be correct to the mods on RWI but how are we supposed to know if it is not the actual pic of the original .. these questions are not to slight the RWI forum ... but there have been numerous postings regarding the work and validity of this collector/modder .. so again why would an outdated pic of a unfinished rep be used.. is this a factory pic ?? a pic from a factory collector ?? i think questions need to be asked in a way that dosen't get someone banned or told to "back off" .. why not post a pic of the actual watch being sold ?? what is there to hide.. if nothing then I can see no problem in posting the actual rep that will physically end up in the hands of the member purchasing it ?? I am posting on this forum because most, if not all of the inconsistencies have been addressed on the RWG .. and if Takashi is as you say "correct" then there is something wrong with posting a pic of a different watch altogether, and if it is the prototype then is that the rep that will be recieved ... sorry for being pesimistic .. but "bait and switch " does come to mind serial numbers are different as are a couple of other details of this rep as opposed to the one that was released by the factory and the forum collectors ... Is the RWI backing this modder and his sales ?? I think it would be prudent to explain this ... show one rep ..claim to sell another..and i don't believe it would do any good for someone to show a pic claiming that they bought one.. bottom line,... I think the pic should be of the actual rep being advertised and sold..

here's some shots for your viewing.. the white dial does not have D-AR the maker jumped the gun and sent out the wrong crystal.. my collector has since sent me a whole case set as replacement.. the white came out first then the blue dial sometime later ... group shot .... white dial .. lume is very good on this one ... case back of blue dial laureus .... Blue note the minute hand is a bit too long in the rep, the original does not go past the ticks.. but seems like a easy fix for an experienced modder good luck Lani

YES,.. that's my understanding there are differences from the original rep and it is from a different factory.. but if members doubt the info then go ahead and purchase it.. just be mindful that it may not be what the original maker produced .. i suppose you will hear all sorts of "reasons" for the difference in pics.. but ask yourself why would someone post a pic of the prototype when the product is already available (for a while now) does that make sense there is a lot going on with this particular modder that remains to be seen .. i can post a long list of inconsistencies and so called facts but in the end members will believe what they want to ... so with that said take it for what it's worth and ask to see a pic of the actual rep that you will be buying for those of you who wonder where the info came from,.... the factory that produced the original rep. claimed this is not theirs .. why would they claim that this is not theirs and a copy .. sort of like shooting themselves in the foot to do that ...don't you think .. since it doesn't matter to them what collector is selling it... and is the collector getting it from the factory or a secondary source ??? Since the original rep is availble to mainly factory collectors... sheesh.. too many inconsistencies and weak reasons for different pics and such there is a lot going on with the shipping ... if this modder is shipping himself why so many problems with the watches as QC is claimed and CG levers don't go loose during shipping .. common.. really that's not even believable. and more importantly where are the so called mods being done ??? but then again it's your money not mine .... spend it how you like

everything for panerai on ebay "claims" to be genuine.. genuine rep... ... do yourself a favour and get the spring bar screws from one of the collectors or shop on ebay for them.. they look good, don't need tubes and won't screw with the thread.. (pun intended)

U would...................... ......... ......... it belongs in an Art Gallery in the abstract section IMO

everything in our rep world should resume on or after the 15, Feb. the price; you will have to inquire with the collector you choose to contact.

The part number for the crystal i ordered was OMESB3063 @169.00 USD

wow,.. you don't mess around with a first purchase.. great Live Strong and Wear it Well

thanx for the great review and time put into this post UB.. there definately is an attraction to black on black

Looks great with that bracelet Usil.. Live Strong and Wear it Well Add on: Usil.. what measurement is the lugs ?? and do you have a pic of the case back? thanx

The maker of the Graham and Flat 6 also is the same that came out with the SSD... the important thing IMO is they keep improving,..the Porsche may just well be one of the best quality reps to date.. although i think the lack of brand name holds it back from claiming sole ownership of that statement.. then we have the maker of the HBB another top maker .. and then the maker of the recently released Omega speedmaster.... all I know is there are 3 that are referred to as the "BIG 3" so anytime they have a rep in production.... that's something to be excited about,.. for sure

We all say that 08 is the best start yet... but these replications were started almost a year ago by the makers and collectors who were responsible for purchasing the genuines for dissection and sourcing then back to fit for prototype... back to the drawing board .. more product development then the final replication.. ergo the cost therefore the final price.. but when it's all said and done I would rather pay a little more and get this quality than pay a lot less and get a replication made from pictures.. this is not directed at your post just a thought after getting the great reps of 08.. I know this is wishful thinking but I hope the Overlord III Hope more dials come out for you .. swordfish in a couple of months too..

the strange twist is.. we think of the size of the watches in comparison to our wrist size.. I was at Sunday brunch and the table next to us had a collection on their wrists that would make you salivate... the patriarch of the family had on a panerai.. and it looked like the Cali dial.. he was a very slim elderly gentleman from Japan.. his wrist must have been in the 6" range .. the Pam was rolling on his wrist.. but it looked good and he pulled it off magnificently... I was not really looking at the difference but at the timepiece.. although i didn't want to stare or gawk... but these big watches were not made for just giants to wear..IMO .. I think they were meant to look BIG on your wrist

Power Reserve .... it has been 48+ hours since I started this thread and the power reserve is doing fine .. I have not worn the timepiece,so to gauge it's reserve.. it was given full power on the 4th at about 1:00 pm hawaii time ... it is now the 6th @2:10 hawaii time. -10 GMT the maker of this rep.. IMHO is consistent with the servicing of the A7750 as is evident to me by the reps I have purchased .. one of the big 3 (makers).. so yes there is a great difference in quality and QC with the makers..

I am being Redundant.. but I cannot help but be elated over this flush, tight exact, fit of the lever housing to the case.. .. and there are no visible screws so the lever housing must be secured from inside the case.. since it is definately not unibodied.. the further I get into this Replication the more I appreciate the great job the maker did on this.. as was the case with the Porsche Flat 6.. if you remember that post.. so again take a look at the fit of the housing to the case.. please....please get this maker to do just one Panerai .. ok maybe more than one.. more pics that I didn't upload with the original post.. ... just to give you a overview of the "look" of the rep. it's not as big as imagined when you take the entire arm into consideration

dluddy... after really looking at the whole lever action and adding in the thought of your question.. it would appear that the arms that fix's the lever does act as a crown guard to the crown and chrono pusher .. weather this was meant to be or was a great "oop's, good one ", i don't know .... but i would venture to say both lever action and CG,... I might also add that the reset pusher at 10 appears to be ADCL .. but i am not sure of this.. it's not scratching just with my fingernail .. (?)