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Is T & A's referring to a birds anatomy? Or some of us !!! :) @Don.... as members we like nothing more than being challenging to you guys at the helm What we need is a cunning plan.... Where is Baldrick?

Thank you guys, I really appreciate it but Bruce... You Git! I now have my own Gucci Zimmer frame courtesy of Ken Just looking for a large numbered dial for my fading eyesight!! Thanks again , I really appreciate it I always enjoy it here and it's all down to you guys, cheers to all

Brilliant Well done mate..... Even better to hear it's working

I am with W0lf here... I aint trying to criticise the ways its changing as I said before its a member driven forum but we need to recognise that what suits a member now doesnt suit the veteran or the more senior members.... and IMHO we cant afford to lose those guys.... Thats why I made the statement about missing them and their input.. So I guess that now.... from whats been said above.... we as PAM lovers, enthusiasts, modders, researchers, etc etc need to ask... how can we accomadate the new members? How can we maintain the older membership? How can we revitalise the veterans? and mosrt importantly how can we maintain the legacy set out by the original RWG members and those that followed and enthuse those that come to buy a good OTB rep to stay and push this hobby forward... after all we wouldnt have these great reps if it wasnt for those older members. those great modders and veterans !! Do we need to look at the format of this section? Do we need to create more stickies in this section? Do we need to create a better form of stimulus? or should we be asking the forum modders to be putting the strap threads in the strap section or the QC pics in the dealers section etc etc... or do we need a section modder rather than a general modder? As we have all said... We are the community!!! So lets try and open up to this new age of reps and new attitudes of members... I dont know the answer.... but I am sure that if there is one then this community of friends and fellow hobbyists can find it...

I honestly dont understand what you mean mate in respect of my statement.. I can only think its not being read I as I meant it when I wrote it or in its context However, when those guys you refer to ask a question on an old thread or their search finds only dismissive responses... I dont agree there is plenty of very useful info and those senior guys I refer to are the ones that can help... not just the noobs but all of us.... and so why arent they here... I guess there are many reasons but one of them must be the changes in what the average member wants from his rep and hence my question... In addition the nature of the post itself has some bearing on the responses and the sometimes lack of effort made by the poster who expects only the repliers make an effort... and I aint just talking about noobs here I am not trying to put down any noobs or members at all..... as many have said here this forum is many things to many people.... but I wanted to know if those changes I mentioned were just in my head or something thats actually happening... I must say I am enjoying reading all the responses regardless of whether I agree with them or not.... And reading that RWG was a forum of 'stuffed shirts' Really did tickle me... because from my own experience its the one place, and I too, have travelled around on many forums, where if you are looking to improve your knowledge or enjoyment of this hobby you will find some great members and some friendly help assuming you make the same effort in your quest as you are expecting in the reply, .... sometimes that can just mean giving an explanation of what you are trying to do or find out rather just posting a 2 line question ... it all just goes to prove how the subjective POV can vary..

When it comes to Function over form then I have to go with Subbie For form over function then I have to go with a PAM 326

Z ? Look forward to seeing those pics mate You trying to mug me off for the way what I spiel ? :)

Thats my point mate.... but to the detriment of the Risti rep hobby as whole?

Hi Rob, Great to see you my friend... You are one of the guys that got me on the PAM path and into those anal details... for that I thank you and at the same time I hate you ! I just wonder what the new guys perception is.... I will carry on as always with my own little projects... and maybe I am partly responsible... maybe I should share my completed projects... maybe we all should.. more.. to try and entice and give those guys an impetus to push on and get more involved... if not to share with all then just for themselves..

I am now going to use a phrase that I recently questioned in a thread and based on the responses in that thread I will say... Hmmmm Make of that what you will

Maybe I aint making my point the way I want to...... I am not talking about members becoming modders in any sense.... even if you can only name 3 over the last 3 years Maybe if you just took the time to read the thread topics in the last 5 pages (or more) you would get a sense of what I am trying to say

I think that thread would be much more 'colourful' now than it was then

I havent been a member for what I consider to be a long time... though it is longer than a few regular members on here.. Now this post is only aimed at the PAM section or enthusiasts... as I dont really frequent the other sections unless its porn !! I have, ever since I joined here been absolutely besotted with PAMs in all shapes, ages and sizes.... to that end I have always looked to research and create models that I can wear with pride and satisfaction... not just rely on the OTB fayre that we can simply pay for and wear... Now when I say pride, I dont necessarily mean completely accurate but more a sense of pride from knowing how long its taken me to research the model, select and collect the parts, decide on the finish etc etc..... or as a few of you guys know... whats referred to as the 'journey' Due to various reasons I have spent short periods of time away from the forum.... but every time I come back there seems to be a different ethos about the PAM section... When I first joined.... everything was about... PAM history, PAM models and accuracy... how to achieve that final look to an accurate piece etc etc Now, ( and this might be me ) the emphasis seems to be about... who has the most accurate OTB rep, who has the cheapest, Feedback on my QC pics, where can I buy a good strap.. I see so many posts saying.... Whats EL, Who is Jimmy Fu, Whats a strap Dimple underlining to me that this hobby is moving in a different direction.... instead of How can I build my Grail watch.... How can I make this watch more accurate...... Here is something I built/modded.... etc etc What I see is higher expectations about whats delivered or the service... almost like guys are shopping in a proper watch shop.... and want a gen for rep money...! So what is it.... Why arent members actually taking part in this hobby in the sense of repping rather than just buying... Why arent they building their own... Why arent they pushing the limits of the OTB reps... after all if it wasnt for this pushing of the limits we wouldnt have these great OTB reps appearing now... the more we get involved the more the dealers/factories have to respond... For example LH, now I know a lot have recently slated him but if it wasnt for LH and others I honestly dont believe we would have these 200 dollar reps now.... as I type LH.. I wonder how many of you guys know who I mean... Where are all the senior guys and experts.... I dont see any of the guys I truly respect in the PAM world posting anymore or if they do its very rarely.... it breaks my heart to know all that knowledge is out there and nobody is looking to engage it and use it.... or even challenge it.. ! Is it laziness? Is it indifference? Is it a change in what this hobby means to members? Is it just that members only want to impress their friends etc with a gen looking watch without getting actually involved in repping/modding? Or am I wrong and just being sentimental ?

Well for starters, the first is a manual Luminor case, the second a fifties style case (Chrono) the last is an auto case.. PAM cases come in several variations... different cases, different CGs, different crowns, etc etc etc etc You need to examine your rep preferences against the gen models then decide what you like and if its important.... whats accurate The only way you will ... un-confuse yourself is to do research PS Yes I know this is a late reply but I was searching the pages of this section for another reason and found this... which I must admit I found surprising..

As far as the crystal goes... unless you are in the know and very very few people are... even if you hit them in the head with it they wouldnt know... if you like it then get one mate.. Overall its a lovely rep.. though I prefer the 286 as I think the dial is better... OK its a faux rattropante pusher but I really dont think thats a biggie... no one ever asked to push mine.. let alone ask what it is !! I have posted a good few pics of 253 alongside the 286 and 212 including just the dial uncased... have a search mate

We each have our preferences mate with dealers... all have their flaws in one way or another and to varying degrees.. I think given recents comments from dealing with Angus and given his prices being comparable with J and A, I might be inclined to go with FengTony or TB etc But as for the watch in question.... if I were after a Rad then its still the 288.... But if its a Luminor then its a 005.... Assuming you just want OTB..

Catz.... Hope you are back home soon and sharing some more wrist pics Be well mate

If you use GAs tutorial for rebrushing then if its polished it will work just the same... I did the same to a Rollie bracelet that someone had CCd and using grit and SB I brought it right back indeed you could argue that you get a better brush finish by starting from a polished finish similar to how car painters use silvers etc under a metallic dark finish...

Yes

Mouth watering.... my favourite... with out doubt.... Nice meats, cheese, fresh bread and olives plus a few Chillies and Onions.... must away and eat !!!

Mate.. if you do a search... GioArmani did a nice tutorial on doing a brush finish or combination of polished and brushed...

You lost me after.... " It is a...."

What that? Your chat up line..

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