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Yes very similar. I can't believe how much effort went into making these dials back then. It's an ingenious process that stood the test of time. I love it.

If you mean can I see the black dial lacquer ending where the gilt begins then yes. It is very obvious under a loop.

This is a close up of my 5510 dial. It's actually a redial of a 6538 and is the best pic I have to show what I mean. The white depth rating numbers are visibly painted on the lacquer and the gilt writing is from below.

I can't really tell because the pic is not close or clear enough.

Glad it helped. Yes white depth letters are always painted on top of the lacquer as are the words officially certified chronometer if there.. The only thing that is coming up from below is the gilt stuff, so the words rolex oyster perpetual, the coronet, the word Swiss at the bottom, the plot surrounds and the track.

I guess so, I personally don't like either but I was just trying to explain about the process involved. The fonts, = sign and other things are a whole other story of course. The second dial, even though more correct in those aspects, is simply all painted on so in the right light it looks awful compared to gen or the first dial.

Another example of Minh's dials, again one is made gen like and the other is not. The second dial is 300$ and the first is 1000$. Can you see how the gilt is painted or printed on top of the lacquer on the cheaper one and coming through from the plate in the more expensive one. A trick is to look for any shadowing on the gilt text, that tells us that it has texture and angles and is in fact painted on. No shadows on the proper gilt text because it has no depth or relief whatsoever it's simply coming through from the plate. You might want to read this it explains it a bit more. http://rolexpassionreport.com/8112/be-aware-of-the-new-generation-redone-fake-vintage-rolex-dials-that-are-coming-to-the-market/

Hi Todd, thank you for the nice comments. I'm very happy to help. The original gen dial for this watch was made in the 50's and therefore the hour plots should look like the lume was applied by hand over 60 years ago. It should not look perfect like the first dial he sent to me. It looks like the lume was lazer printed on. The lume has no depth either (should be slightly raised).. The replacement looks a lot more like the lume was hand applied like gen and slightly 'messy'. Perfect! It also has that slight raised look as gen. I will show you a few gen dials and then the two from Minh see if you can see what I'm referring to. I believe that the 1000$ dial is made with a similar process to the gen where the gilt is actually coming through from the plate itself and then a black lacquer is applied leaving the gilt writing surrounds and track uncovered. Hard to explain but you can see that with the first dial, the gilt writing has been painted on.. Lastly the red depth is made using a special paint on top of the lacquer. Again hard to explain but the red depth writing should have a slight raised look over the lacquer.

Lol, thank you Zeleni, I appreciate that. I removed the bezel it came with and tried mine on, perfect fit. I didn't press it all the way down but you get the idea, it's such a beautiful upgrade! Dial arrives tomorrow and its off to get worked on. Here's a before and after with the gen bezel.

It's more like 2000$.. Dw case set and dial is worth a bit and a v72 1200$ and agen crow/tube costs a bit, not sure if that is gen, I can't tell.

Will do E, So I sent a polite email to Minh about his 'mistake' and got this reply when I woke up. We' re very sorry because we have two dials 6538 like it so my staff shipping wrong dial for you, Now we will send another dial 6538 same photos the front side and back side for you immediate by UPS. Sorry again . Thanks & regards Minh Quy I was right! He held the good one back hoping I'd be ok with the lesser version. In any case it's good news and everything is back on track.

Yup

Wow, 4th 5th caseback! I would have gone nuts by now. I really hope this is the one! I really should keep my expectations lower, I get it, it's hit or miss. These two, phong and Minh, do have big reputations to protect and so I guess it's just a matter of being patient and specific and hoping for the best

Ill be out of town but if there's a wifi there's a way!!!

Thanks E! I have a few bezels coming with the watch (ndt, cwp, Minh) I will be doing a comparison but happy to sell one of the extra's when I'm done

Did someone say modded phong tudor sub and sales section??

600$!? I sold one on vrm (just the bezel) for 1400$ a few months ago. You should have held onto that puppy!! Thanks for the advice. I hope this gets resolved properly

That's true and I guess in my haste I didn't think of that aspect of things but I still feel like if he is selling me a 1000$ dial that he has personally photographed then that's the dial he should have sent. The bezel I recieved was the same as the pics he sent me why shouldn't the dial.. I know he has the right dial because he took pics of it and sent it to me just like with the bezel. Anyhow I guess I'm just in a bad mood. Ill send him a polite email and tell him of his 'mistake' Thank you Denim, I was pretty sure it was gen and how he doesn't know that a gen assembly with insert and retaining ring is worth 3x the amount he asked for is beyond me. No complaints here

Old school bs move on his part.. Send an inferior product and if the customer catches you, blame it on your assistant and send the right one. Sad

I can't wait to hear what he has to say! He should be ashamed

Thanks Freddy, I agree the bezel must be gen. Therefore amazing deal. I however did just notice that he tried to pull a fast one on me with the dial.. He sent the same type of dial but not the one I ordered and was promised to me. Look at the dif with the lume and the red depth.. Uggg

Just got the Minh parts. Here's a teaser. I'm going out of town for a couple of days so ill drop it all off with my watchmaker before I leave and hopefully it will be done and ready for Friday when I get back! I'm not sure if this bezel is gen or not. It might be an extremely well made copy but the insert is gen.

Bond sub

I'm usually happy once I have a gen crown/tube 1030 movement and gen insert. Tudor big crown too!!! Oh boy

Stunning!!