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By-Tor

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  1. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    Posted · Edited by By-Tor

    By-Tor, say what you want here,.. but unless you go back through all three board and do some

    heavy editing, your words speak for themselves.

    Regarding this latest plea...

    You made the inquiry, I posted my opinion, politely, {As always, until provoked.}

    My opinions are based on Ziggy and personal experience,..and your's ?

    Hey, do yourself a favor and preface your next chronograph post

    "Opinions wanted, Except Richard Tracy's."

    I would respect that more than what you pulled here.

    Could someone tell me what what I supposedly "pulled" here. :please:

    Maybe I insulted the movement in his watch? :blink: If I did... that wasn't my intention, honestly. <shakes head>

    Edit: Hmm, maybe my original post was stupid and provocative, I dunno. Or maybe we both had a bad hair day? I just don't see myself "misleading" anyone there.

  2. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    Posted

    By-Tor asks why rep makers just don't freeze the dials. God, only knows but a good guess is that they think your average street cart replica buyer will feel gyped if those subdials don't do something and that they don't know what the hell a chronograph is anyway.

    True. That probably explains the day/date chronos. :yuk:

  3. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    Hmmm still the barbs,.. However I will ignore them ... for now.

    All I will say in return to all the manovering, is read your own posts, which about this issue

    are many.

    You have been stating some opinions regarding the 7750 that are based

    zero personal experience, and evidently as much research.

    Everybody knows that unserviced 7750 is a unstable movement. It's a known "fact". I don't need to buy the movement, I trust what plenty of other members have stated and experienced. I also think $500 for a rep is too much. But that's my personal opinion only. You don't seem to accept it.

    If a noob posts such, who cares, ? But a respected member of our boards such as you,

    carries a weight that as I said before, can mislead a person, that may have, as I do,

    What the hell are you talking about? I was merely stating that $500 for a rep is too much trouble and cost for me... PERSONALLY. And I was trying to open a discussion about different and cheaper alternatives. What in this syntax that you don't understand? And what's "misleading" about that? Pray tell.

    a love for chronographs, which would rob them of the great experiences, many

    have had with them, when we either took a chance, did some study, or spent

    a bit more money for some piece of mind, but most of all going in not expecting

    guarantees. If you can't afford the loss, then don't play the game.

    You crack me up. I was only saying in my original article that I _personally_ would be glad if rep manufacturers could produce visually accurate cheaper rep chronograph watches with non-working subdials.

    Then you jump in and start lecturing me... and telling that I "mislead" the members. I wonder why you continuously miss the point, or do you _purposefully_ miss the point?

    Me, I'm no expert, though I have owned at least ten times as many replicas as have you,

    over many years.

    <sigh>

    I need not be an expert however,

    :whistling:

    thanks to some pretty significant information from a person

    that I, and many others here and elsewhere, consider one.

    This information is available, for anyone that takes the time to read it,.. I guess

    it will have to come to you.

    If you don't respect it, then I have nothing left to say.

    From the Ziggy Libraries, which I give a whole hell of a lot more weight than your

    fear and notions about these, "Chinese Funny Watches".

    Ziggy is a friend. And I respect him a lot... and I have read his reviews many times. Your point?

    [Ziggy quotes deleted]

    You evidently have issues with Chinese watches, period, not just the movement, but

    the whole package, including price ?

    What "issues"? They're FAKES. I love reps, that's why I'm here. But unlike you I'm just not living under the false illusion that these watches are 90% accurate. They are not. They're novelty items, and in my opinion investing lots of money on a rep isn't worth it. You seem to have a problem with my opinion.

    I don't understand what your point is... and why you're trying to provocate something. Honestly.

  4. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    No patronizing here, By-tor,.. No need to get angry,..or insulting,... which at least I, have not done

    to this point.

    It's just that some of your posted r , and seems based upon cost, not accuracy or reliability.

    If price is your stand, say so, but mixing the other two issues is misleading those that

    may be seeking a decent chronograph replica, have the funds, or don't see a few hundred dollars

    as a huge barrier.

    You completely missed the whole point. I didn't "compare" them. I was considering different options. Joshua's (and EL's) $100 Daytona looked excellent (and it had non-working subdials, pushers and stopwatch). Last I checked $100 is hell of a lot less than $500.

    And of course price is a factor, for most people in rep forums anyway. "A few hundred dollars more" is a lot of money when you talk about a fake. Especially when many people are buying and collecting these as "novelty items" anyway. Your IWC might be a good deal (and good rep). Congratulations for that. But does it make sense to get "90% accurate and serviced" Aquaracer 7750 automatic chrono for $500 when preowned genuines can be obtained for $800? Come on...

    For some people working stopwatch might be very important and thus that kind of rep would be unacceptable. Working stopwatch isn't that essential for me, if the watch is otherwise in good quality. I was wondering why the rep factories don't produce more watches like that and put out laughable calendar chronos instead. For me that kind of watch would be a serious option as I don't absolutely need the functioning stopwatch. At least not for the extra $400 (and extra trouble) that needs to be invested (and STILL get wrong subdial spacing in most cases). You know, different strokes for different folks. I was merely trying to open a discussion. It was YOU who started singing the gospel here.

    And if you think ANY rep is more than 90% accurate compared to a genuine IWC, Omega or Rolex... you need a reality check, quickly. The best reps might be good but they're just Chinese funny watches.

    Now could you explain me what reasoning here goes against common knowledge of "experts". And who are the "experts"... other than you of course? Thanks.

  5. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    Posted · Edited by By-Tor

    I also don't see your 90% accuracy, as Breitling and Panerai are very, very, close in

    the certain models.

    Some models of Breitling and Panerai (and the new IWC GST) might be very close but they're definitely exceptions. MOST 7750 chronographs have completely wrong subdial spacing and sometimes bad pushers. Visually 90% accurate replica is excellent, imho. There's always differences in overall quality when you compare your rep to a genuine.

    Regarding cost, you are comparing fully working chronographs, to the price of cheap non-chrono

    watches, and calling them expensive.

    I still feel investing $500 on a Chinese fake watch a lot of money, no matter how "accurate" it is. It's still a Chinese fake watch.

    Feel free to disagree but don't start patrionizing me with your noob lessons, oh Wise one. I was merely posting my personal thoughts. That's what these forums are for, right?;)

  6. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    cheers...enjoy ur new watchs...u will really look like Brad Pit...:):):)

    mossanti

    Thanks but I haven't bought it yet (and the picture is Andrew's). ;)

    Another member at TRC told me that he bought this same rep without the text AUTOMATIC on Ioffer. So it's definitely available (somewhere). Let's keep our fingers crossed.

  7. Chronographs... what's your opinion?

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    I've been thinking about this... if you buy a Asian powered 7750 for $250 - $300 and spend another $300 for the full service we're getting into $500 - $600 price range. Personally I just find that kind of money too much for a fake watch, especially when the subdial spacing is still off... and the watch doesn't give you even 90% visual accuracy. You can leave it unserviced but it's a fast ticking time bomb anyway.

    What are the options then?

    Quartz chronos seldom have correct visual appearance, but there are exceptions like TAG Aquaracer 2000 which looks mighty good. But then we usually have the text AUTOMATIC printed on the dial with ticking subdial seconds and stopwatch, which completely ruins the watch. I'm not anal about the details usually, but the text AUTOMATIC on a quartz is too much (imho). Another nasty thing with quartz chronos are the subdials that sometimes don't reset and center properly. At least that's what I've heard.

    Then there was this Daytona with correct subdial spacing (and running seconds at 6'o'clock) but completely faux, non-working chrono and non-responding pushers.

    What do I think? I wouldn't mind getting a faux chrono and non-working pushers if the watch looks great and the price was reasonable. I wouldn't mind a TAG quartz chrono, either (probably more than half of the genuine TAGs are lowly quartz anyway). Calendar/date faux chronographs are the worst (imho), I wouldn't buy one. Why do the rep factories even produce these when they could produce good and accurate looking versions with non-responding subdials and pushers? I never use the stopwatch for anything, it's there just for the looks. You could always say your chrono is broken if someone asks (unlikely).

    I believe there could be a market in this community for visually stunning (non-calendar) non-working faux chrono versions. Of course there would be a market for a reliable 7750 movement, but according to Ziggy's reviews the even new versions come completely dry!!! That means trouble... and expensive trouble.

    Quartz version of a Speedmaster, Zenith El Primero or Daytona would feel a bit silly. I could consider a Breitling Navitimer quartz though. Venus is a good and robust movement but lack of date, again wrong subdial spacing and that dreaded stupid 6'o'clock subdial/hour hand makes it unacceptable for most watches.

    My next watch? TAG Aquaracer 2000 chronograph quartz (if I can source it without the text AUTOMATIC somewhere... I know it's available). ;)

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    Your thoughts?

  14. Posting Prices

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    Posted

    For some reason there has always been lots of secrecy with the prices. There's this "unwritten rule" that even _members_ never tell how much they paid for the watch in their reviews. God knows how many PM's I've got like "nice watch, how much did you pay?".

    I have asked this question only twice (from another member) and it was like "ahh, I can't tell the price... it's between me and Joe Blow, my favourite dealer".

    When I was a noob I asked prices from some "big name dealers" here and they gave me completely ridiculous prices for some rep models that I was able to source $200 cheaper later on. I also thought bigger price always means better quality, which isn't always the case. There are some excellent $100 and $150 reps available.

    Then there's this saying "First choose your dealer, then choose your watch". Frankly, that's not very good advice. I say "First educate yourself, know the different replica models and buy THAT EXACT replica model for best (or at least reasonable) price from a good dealer". They are generally the same freakin' Chinese watches for Chrissakes!

    All our dealers are trustworthy and good, so why pay $150 extra for "good service"? Some dealers SEE the watches before they ship them, that's always good... I'm more than happy to pay extra for that kind of service. I don't want to get a watch with missing crown or bezel. Sending the watch back and forth to get "replacement parts" is more like bad quality control... rather than "good service", imho.

    These "What do you think about Eddie's Sub?" and "What do you think about King's Sub?" questions are ignorant as well. There are usually 2-3 different rep models of the same watch and the dealers get either one (or both). Compare the pics... and again buy it for the good price.

    About the public prices... I don't know. I'm glad we have so many excellent dealers who provide us excellent watches for reasonable prices. 100% public prices would be ideal but I guess some dealers never agree on that route. If even the _members_ think the prices are "hush hush" stuff why should we require that from the dealers? Members could easily make the prices public if they wanted, so what's the problem here?

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