Thanks guys a lot of info. Yes HartDoc you are the Doc! Stephane , yes totally agree we are more than a bit anal and pay thru the nose for it. Like I have said before nobody will know it is a pointy or flat four but you in that year & model, just enjoy it. ( I am as guilty as anyone to some extent ,hence this thread!) cjjoyce finding that beauty would be an adventure. I will not pay more than the price of the watch for a strap/bracelet, anal but cheapness saves me ! I have been looking at some nice custom leather for it. ("Zeleni s" looks nice on his) We shall see on the metal will keep looking, the ndt s look nice but with shipping and extra links for my over 8in wrist just to dam expensive. No sense wasting time trying to find an old one (gen) cheap of any configuration no way they will fit me.