Thanks mate, shortly after that I tried to age the insert but bleach (which I normally use) had no effect so I tried drain cleaner, in about 2 seconds it gave an OK effect but when I touched the insert pretty much all the paint came off completely so that was a shame, anyway I ordered another one and I think this time I will just lightly sand it to take the shine off and steer clear of the Mr muscle drain cleaning foam Sent from my Lenovo P2a42 using Tapatalk