Those Pesky Daylights

[StormTooper4]

OK Folks this has been bugging me for a while so I have a question for you.

Was there ever a Gen 196 Daylight with recessed subdials? I have had this picture in my collection and I believe it

[Drulee]

I think you're mixing up sub-dials with date wheels. If so, take a look at this:

That's what a sunken date wheel looks like

If I'm mistaken, ehh I just wanted to post a pic of my 250 anyway

[asf]

I think he's talking about how the subdials dip down?

[swdivad]

The PAM 196 never had recessed subdials (in the gen)... but it looks like you've stumbled across a rep that does...

The PAM 188 has sunken date wheels... but some reps did not.

[omni]

The PAM 196 never had recessed subdials (in the gen)... but it looks like you've stumbled across a rep that does...

The PAM 188 has sunken date wheels... but some reps did not.

Just about to post the same, confirmed what swdivad said.

[StormTooper4]

Drulee I do mean the subdials in the way that your 250 has like concentric rings where the subdials are

Swdivad funnily enough I was looking at your PVD masterpiece and was tempted to post a picture of it to show the difference as your pictures show it clearly , but here is another picture of a Gen , and its Flat Dial

But my first picture is also of a gen (I think) this one

if it is someone's on RWG please chime in.

ST4

[Watchmeister]

I would say the answer is "no" there has never been a 196 with recessed subdials. Here is the last year of the daylight in an I series:

http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00196(PAM196)-PAM-196-Luminor-Daylight-Chronograph-Black-Dial-Original-Version-(Discontinued)-18841.aspx

The watch above does look good but IMHO it is a rep. Lello datewheel (font and matte), lever on crown guard, etc. Oh and I believe I have that same dial sitting in my parts box.

[StormTooper4]

Kruz and others, thanks for the confirmation, I shall enjoy my subdials quietly on my own.

Does anyone else have a similar liking or is it just me ?

[Watchmeister]

I like the subdials as well and I like the bolder font as well. They did it on the 250/251.

[frogfalls]

Take a look in the number five '5' it looks different to the one that the gen used to .

[StormTooper4]

frogfalls you have the eye, I have to say the GEN's 5 looks really weird

[Watchmeister]

8 and 10 are way off as well. Here is a gen 188 dial for comparison. It is easier to see it black on white. Truly rounded 0 on the 10 and Broader 8 which pushes all the way up to the sibdial.

Can see it on a 162 (not my pic):

The old school 196 rep Dial is also much better than the newer rep dials. I prefer to live with the longer hash mark at 6 and extra tick around 12 for the better number formation and overall layout:

[projectologist]

I would say the answer is "no" there has never been a 196 with recessed subdials. Here is the last year of the daylight in an I series:

http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00196(PAM196)-PAM-196-Luminor-Daylight-Chronograph-Black-Dial-Original-Version-(Discontinued)-18841.aspx

The watch above does look good but IMHO it is a rep. Lello datewheel (font and matte), lever on crown guard, etc. Oh and I believe I have that same dial sitting in my parts box.

I was looking at more pics of that watch and the caseback looks gen, but of course it might not be the same watch as in the first pic.

http://www.essential-watches.com/Panerai-PAM00196(PAM196)-PAM-196-Luminor-Daylight-Chronograph-Black-Dial-Original-Version-(Discontinued)-18841.aspx#moreimages

[chubbchubb]

I have never seen a gen 196 with recessed subdials.

Here's a few gen pictures from my (reference pictures ) collection. Click on pictures for bigger version.

[cskent69]

8 and 10 are way off as well. Here is a gen 188 dial for comparison. It is easier to see it black on white. Truly rounded 0 on the 10 and Broader 8 which pushes all the way up to the sibdial.

Damn,I am jealous of that 188 dial Kruzer!

[evo5555]

Damn,I am jealous of that 188 dial Kruzer!

damn... tats the only HOLY GRAIL FRANKEN 188 we haf across the WWW... dun tink anybody will eva match Kruzer's 188!!!..