Omega anti-counterfeit logo

[P4GTR]

50% by value

... and we know the factories making parts for Omega are not doing a backdoor trade in spares because they would get killed for it. Security for the bigger factories is brutal and it has to be precisely because China has always done back door trades and they had to crush them to get the kinds of business they wanted, like ETA and their like. Torture over leaks is commonplace.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/07/21/foxconn-employee-intigrated-over-lost-iphone-prototype-sucide-ensues/

I agree with you that i'd rather have a gen 16610 (and I will) anyday over a rep. My pining away is besides the point...

I don't fully agree though, that backdoor action isn't taking place. Torture at one factory whilst next door the CNC is blazing rep cases out by the 1000's? Whats the difference to a gen manuf? they'd put an end to both if things were really that tight. Take your example, ETA. Isn't their factory doors freshly closed? Maybe the front ones.. And out the back comes all of these new ETA clones we have.

It's an interesting theory.

[ammandel]

For a start, not mentioning resale value or servicing (especially if you mean warranties) means you're pretty much eliminating most of the reason for buying Gen.

This is exactly my point, these features arent actually part of the watch itself, so rep makers are making exactly the same thing..

However, with the 16610, as this is the example you picked, you get the 3135 movement which is vastly superior to the ETA 2824.

Why? Don't they have the same complications and tolerences?

[robbnj]

I think your right TeeJay.If you actually break it down your probably paying 25% cost of the watch itself and 75% for the brand name.

Don't forget that most AD's mark up their pieces 100%. This puts it at 50%=markup, 37.5%=marketing, 12.5%= watch. So that $5,000 PO is really worth just over $600. Now THAT's more like it! Gen = double the (good)rep price.

(Ain't it nice to go to a dealer and see a price on a watch, then have them offer a discount before you even start seriously discussing the item?)

[Pugwash]

Why? Don't they have the same complications and tolerences?

Same complications, sure. However, a Rolex 3135 movement is a better movement. It's not about tolerances, it's about materials, design, construction, etc.

http://www.chronometrie.com/rolex3135/rolex3135.html

Most people reckon it's better than the ETA 2892A2, which is an order of magnitude better than the ETA 2824/2836 we get in our reps.

If you want to go Omega, the movement in a Planet Ocean is significantly better than the 2824 we get in our reps because it's a highly modified 2892 with a Co-Axial escapement.

IWC sometimes make their own movements, and where they don't, they change a lot of parts for much higher quality parts. A 7750 from an IWC 3717 will be much better than one straight out of the ETA factory. It's like a blueprinted engine with strengthened parts used for production racing is better than what's in your car.

Breitling, however, use pretty much the same movements as we get here, so on that one, sure, you're not getting much more by going gen, but Breitling gens are by and large cheaper than Rolex or Omega gens.

In conclusion, the movements used in Rolex Subs and Omega Seamasters are considerably better than what we have access to in our replicas. They are also considerably higher quality than their cheaper competition, like Tissot, Breitling, Sinn, Fortis, Longines, etc.

[Pugwash]

Don't forget that most AD's mark up their pieces 100%. This puts it at 50%=markup, 37.5%=marketing, 12.5%= watch. So that $5,000 PO is really worth just over $600. Now THAT's more like it! Gen = double the (good)rep price.

$600? You can't even get a replacement 2500 movement for that.

[docblackrock]

my oo7 casino royal PO had it on

Which is, to my understanding, the first model that sported it. Every other PO/POC manufactured since has carried it along with another "innovation" carried over from that release....the red/orange paint anti-tamper 'seal' between the case and caseback.

I don't get the point of the logo though, it's not like some embedded hologram difficult to reproduce, it's just the Omega symbol overlaid on a globe. And as Ubi mentioned, the proliferation and easy availability of Omega parts makes the rationale fairly redundant anyway.

[Rolexman]

Here is a pic the replica Speedmaster I ownded a while back. Maybe th

[mtv2009]

Here is a pic the replica Speedmaster I ownded a while back. Maybe th

[Rolexman]

Would you mind posting a pic of the front

Read all about it.

[trailboss]

Damn that's a nice speedy mate! Very nice indeed.

Col.

[chronoluvvv]

hmm i checked my Speedmaster too and its got the logo as well

[chubbchubb]

Another PO 007 here with logo....

as for the rep vs gen discussion: most has been said already but if you go through RWG posts, every once in a while, you will find someone posting that he has bought the gen of a rep he already owns. I can't remember ever reading words of disappointment. Aside from all factual differences, there is a obvious difference in the feel of a quality gen. That is why most uber reps are custom made frankens with mostly gen parts.

[jeff g]

The perfect replica must have all the details of the gen????.

Duplicating the etched counterfit proof mark is a no brainer.

Is this concept a joke? Who cares? A perfect rep will never be a gen.

[Guest OrenG]

Perhaps some talented engraver/modder could make a small fortune making PO`s even more authentic!!

This is a job for CNC if someone could get me really nice macro shots of the logo, as well as dimensions I'd be more then happy to try this on my UPO.

Edited September 29, 2009 by OrenG

[southcoast68]

A simple question turns into a interesting discussion no doubt.

On topic - the two POs' I had did not have this etched logo on the back, but that was at least a few years ago, and even Omega gens probably did not feature it either.

Off topic - there is no doubt in my mind that rep manufacturers can and will source parts from the OEM suppliers when possible. Again, citing the HBB bezel story, I believe it was Kyocera that manufactured that part for Hublot, and since its manufacture was in Asia, it was accessible to rep makers as well. Member Offshore has been to "ground zero" and would probably spend years going on visits there and will probably never know all of the players involved in the rep trade. We would be fooling ourselves to think that the security in these Asian plants make it impossible for rep makers to get the same parts. China is worlds away from a lot of us in distance as well as its socio-economic status and the way of life for folks that live and work there. Most of these folks are doing whatever necessary to make a living and turn a buck, and like other places in the world, anything is doable when the authorities and powers that be have the ability to look the other way. Its like I always said, a watch maker wants to be exclusive to its customers and charge the big bucks, they need more than just slick advertising and famous people representing them. They need to do more manufacturing in-house IMO to be truly exclusive and to distance themselves from the rep trade.

I would never discourage anyone in owning a genuine of their favorite watch. While they may not make too much sense economically to some, to others it really is most satisfying in owning what you know for a fact is the real deal and something that not everyone has.

Cheers