Pam196 A Little Tidbit

[rolli]

hi all,

here some pictures from my pam196 with a original gen swiss-made valjoux 7750.

1.) with strapmasters brown shark

2.) with k.wong black calf

enjoy yourself

rolli

[lovepanerai]

a beauty :-)

It must be an Asian 7750 Valijoux though since the SWISS 7750 Valjoux can't be fitted into the 196 would have to be a 7753 and looking at your date window tells me it is not.

Hope you didn't get scammed by the seller

[rolli]

hey man,

my watchmaker-master build-in a gen swiss valjoux 7750.

i know that , he's a friend of mine. you have to know there is a trick mixed with experiences.

rolli

a beauty :-)

It must be an Asian 7750 Valijoux though since the SWISS 7750 Valjoux can't be fitted into the 196 would have to be a 7753 and looking at your date window tells me it is not.

Hope you didn't get scammed by the seller

[Polynomial]

doesn't matter, ETA's factory that makes swiss valjoux 7750 is in China, so it is an 'Asian' whichever way you look at it. Hope it keeps good time, surely looks nice

[Pugwash]

my watchmaker-master build-in a gen swiss valjoux 7750.

i know that , he's a friend of mine. you have to know there is a trick mixed with experiences.

Please, tell us more.

Did he use the gears from the Asian 7750?

[lovepanerai]

Please, tell us more.

Did he use the gears from the Asian 7750?

Her is what I just sent to Rolli in a PM:

"so he must have taken the Swiss 7750 and mixed it with parts of the Asian 7750? The date shows clearly that ther is a gear above the date disc (which is uniques to the Asian 7750) the original date disc has the gear below, hence the date is closer to the date window. The Zigmeister worte a report about this and I own an Asian 7750 version of the 196 and a Swiss 7753 one. Furthermore he would have to have transfered the subdials with extra gears. He must really be good your watchmaker ;-)"

[lovepanerai]

doesn't matter, ETA's factory that makes swiss valjoux 7750 is in China, so it is an 'Asian' whichever way you look at it. Hope it keeps good time, surely looks nice

no they don't....

[rolli]

hi pugwash and hi lovepanerai,

my watchmaker-master is a friend of mine.

of course ther is a trick with experience.

he used first the main-plate ( block ) from asia movt.

the gear at the 12 to the 3 position ( asia gear )

the gear at the 6 position changed to the asia gear.

the gear at the 9 position must stayed.

this gear at 9 ( little second ) is very important, thats one of the whole wheelwork. the asia on this position makes trouble. it works imprecise.

this gear is important that must be from the valjoux.

the hand-axle is a little bit too short.

my watchmaker changed the hand-tube to a longer tube,

so the new hand-tube fits on the valjoux second gear-axle.

the black date wheel from the asia in the swiss valjoux.

we can talk one year long. in my 196 is an real swiss valjoux 7750 in.

i get each movement from well known watch factory. the 7753 comes in the new 250 and 251.

trust me.

rolli

Please, tell us more.

Did he use the gears from the Asian 7750?

[Pugwash]

we can talk one year long. in my 196 is an real swiss valjoux 7750 in.

I have a 196 with a 7753. Wouldn't that have been easier and cheaper?

[lovepanerai]

if you already own a Asian 7750 you can not transplant a 7753 into it since the date position is slightly different. I guess one of the reasons to do this is that the "correct case and bezel" 7753 196 is no longer available.

[Pugwash]

Ok, now I'm intrigued. What's wrong with the new case/bezel?

[lovepanerai]

@Pugwash

the bezel on the new 196 is wider and flatter than the genuine and the previous 196 replicas, however the dial is more accurate (doesn't have the additional seconds tick mark like the older ones) I am trying to digg up some pictures for comparison

[lovepanerai]

@Pugwash

compare your watch with pictures of my old 196 Here and you will notice the differences:

New 196 subdials are smaller than gen/old rep, AR coated crystal on yours , correct seconds tick marks on yours , bezel wider/flatter the gen/old rep, not sure about the case back, but I believe yours doesn't have the Gxxxx/xxxx on it does it?, the old rep doesn't have the Luminor engarving on the back

This all shows the old story about replica makers fixing flaws and introduce new ones at the same time

[Pugwash]

This all shows the old story about replica makers fixing flaws and introduce new ones at the same time

To me, it's further evidence of competing factories.

[lovepanerai]

that could also be, however I think the factory that made the old one might be out of business/shut down than since none of the dealers offer that model anymore

@Rolli: sorry for taking over your post here ;-)

[Watchmeister]

As far as I know there are only two high end factories making PAM's . The new one came after the orginal factory quit production. The new factory elected to cheap out with lighter case, less accurate bezel, etc. but did make it better in ways that cost them nothing (tick marks, etc.). They did add a light AR coat though. By the way, Luminor is not on the caseback of all gen 196's. Depends on the year and probably the sub-contractor.

By the way it is not difficult for an experienced watchsmith to swap out the Asian 7750 for a Swiss 7750. Just keep the Asian gearing to manipulate the date.