lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 The replacement insert for my DSSD arrived today.. it does have the correct 10 spacing and the triangle at the 12 is surprisingly a little more accurate. the pearl may be better on the Ultimate insert.. easy swap it will take a bit of work for me to be 100 satisfied with the insert.. it is a factional of a mm too thick and sits to high on the bezel to be perfect.. I took it down a little .. I need to run to the store for some coarser grit sand paper.. that would make this a breeze to do .. since this is from a different maker the thickness is a bit thicker than the Ultimate insert. The genuine triangle at the 12 does not hit the edge of the insert.. the Ultimate triangle is all the way to the edge of the insert I think we can green light this one.. Perfect clones should have it listed now as I think this will work with a little sanding. Joshua sent this one for review, before posting it for sale.. and being that it is better than the insert available with the Ultimate and although it will take a little modding .. It should be an improvement over the existing insert.. beats waiting for another version.. AC/Lani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajminla Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks for the follow-up. Quick Newbie tech question - can you give some guidance on how to remove the insert and re-install it. Lastly, what type grit of sand paper do you recommend using. Thanks, Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest techlogik Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 So it's Josh? How come he just doesn't ask for these inserts to be put in his Ultimates to begin with? Or they don't care what he says and asks for maybe...haha... Curious on how you are going to remove the old bezel insert and then put the new one in....tutorial time! I have to say it looks very good, but as you said, the pearl looks like the old one, they just got the spacing right. Pearl can be removed and put a watchmaker one it maybe, or swap it out like you also mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks for the follow-up. Quick Newbie tech question - can you give some guidance on how to remove the insert and re-install it. Lastly, what type grit of sand paper do you recommend using. Thanks, Andrew the easiest way is to remove the pearl.. you can do it pretty much with you fingernail (thumb) .. I just got 346U grit.. I was using 400 .. to fine.. get it as coarse as you can put the sand paper on a flat board and make circular motions with the insert.. shouldn't be too long before it is the right height.. kep sizing it in the bezel.. the lip of the bezel should be taller than the insert and the crystal should be taller also.. AC/Lani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 So it's Josh? How come he just doesn't ask for these inserts to be put in his Ultimates to begin with? Or they don't care what he says and asks for maybe...haha... From what I understand from Lani's other thread is that the insert actually comes from a different factory than the maker of the rep...hence why it's a separate item. Hopefully Lani can confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 nice to hear lani, i dont know but for me personaly i dont like the dssd (at the moment ) , but i look forward to see yours bro maybe you can change my mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 So it's Josh? How come he just doesn't ask for these inserts to be put in his Ultimates to begin with? Or they don't care what he says and asks for maybe...haha... it was from a different source.. and I don't know the dynamics of the makers reasoning.. we can second guess it.. Josh did not plan to source these after the fact.. I requested it... so Joshua did not plan to use these.. and obviously the maker didn't or they would be in the Ultimate.. maybe the maker thought it was too much work to mod.. and they didn't think the offset 10 would be an issue..the dealers have to work with whatever maker is doing the project at the time and you can't always blow smoke in the Asian mind set.. but why not just ask Josh instead of playing the conjecture..haha.. The insert is held on the Ultimate with rubber contact cement.. so it is easily removed once the pearl is taken off the insert. This may actually look better after the modding.. you can lower the insert a bit more next to the crystal..although my thumb is kinda raw.. you don't realize it when your in the moment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Lani Was the rubbing down around the whole insert or just on proud areas? Thanks for pics that ten looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneristi_man Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Hi Lani, So where can we get this bezel insert from? How much for them? Pls advise. pan man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 This is how I do it.. taking off from the bottom of the insert only Alternate from circular to side ways then north to south.. getting an even pattern of motion check the height on the bezel periodically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks for the update, R! This should be an upgrade for me too in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks mate What grade did you use on the ceramic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks mate What grade did you use on the ceramic? I'm going to have to get a different "type" of sand paper.. maybe one for metal.. the insert just slides along the one I got.. it's the only one the local store down the block had.. check with your hardware store and inquire about sand paper for hard plastics.. not wood...the sand paper I was using prior to running out to get a thicker grade would work if I wanted to spend all day on it.. but with the proper paper it should be easier with little time spent....it's almost there.. just a little more.. tomorrow.. edit add:.. I think the metal wet sand paper with high grit and jewelers rouge in the paper will do fine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I'm going to have to get a different "type" of sand paper.. maybe one for metal.. the insert just slides along the one I got.. it's the only one the local store down the block had.. check with your hardware store and inquire about sand paper for hard plastics.. not wood...the sand paper I was using prior to running out to get a thicker grade would work if I wanted to spend all day on it.. but with the proper paper it should be easier with little time spent....it's almost there.. just a little more.. tomorrow.. edit add:.. I think the metal wet sand paper with high grit and jewelers rouge in the paper will do fine.. Once again mate Thank you, a few little words but very much meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Once again mate Thank you, a few little words but very much meant actually this one may be better as far as circumference, the genuine has a fraction of a mm space from the insert to the bezel.. i think I have it down enough now.. but maybe just a hair more below the bezel.. the crystal height is correct now.. just the proper sand paper and this will be a breeze.. I would recommend "rubber contact cement" and not epoxy.. so it'll be an easy off if needed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Lani, emery paper would probably be the best thing to sand it down with. For others wondering on how to remove the insert I used the careful application of my heat-gun to the bezel and the glue softened up nicely and the insert was very easy to pry off with a razor blade. I then removed all of the glue residue from the bezel and secured the new insert with clear RTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSRep Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Not going to be picking up a DSSD yet, but this is great "need to know" information. Thanks R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheaton26 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 cool. looking forward to seeing the finished product! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkBachs Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 I keep checking the mail for mine to come in. As far as sanding down the backside, I would use a figure 8 motion. As long as the edges look good, the rough back will give the clear RTV something good to hold on to- and I second the clear RTV as an adhesive which can be found at any auto store... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Make sure it is silicone RTV sealant/adhesive. Some of the silicone sealants/gasket makers do not stick very well and make a poor adhesive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest techlogik Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Lani, is the bezel insert actually wider than the metal itself? A shot of the bezel without the insert would be cool just to see. I thought I saw a youtube video of a guy doing this with a V3. It looked like the insert hung over the metal bezel on the inside next to the crystal when installed? Oh, and the guy would just pop the bezel off the watch with his bare fingers...must have had gorilla strength or something. You can find the video on youtube, DSSD V3 modding...it's pretty interesting. The guy used gorilla glue. Good stuff! When you are done,just send me the entire watch....your experiment is done. I will ship you one back with a lume job, swiss movement and wrong insert..you can play with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1024 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Hi Lani, You mention different sand-paper. Ceramic is pretty hard stuff. How did the sanding go? How long did it take? How much material did you end up taking off of of the back? I have an earlier version 'ultimate' Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Make sure it is silicone RTV sealant/adhesive. Some of the silicone sealants/gasket makers do not stick very well and make a poor adhesive. For the sake of discussion and options a heat gun ..imo may not be needed.. actually it would cause more of a mess the adhesive that is on the insert hold pretty well but does not need to be heated and easily comes off once you remove the pearl, which is also easily done. Second I use the "Elmers rubber cement" which is the same "type of adhesive" as the RTV you mentioned and can be applied to isolated area's and dries to a rubbery texture, so if and when I do remove the insert you can just remove the glue by rubbing it with a finger.this is the only insert that I do not snap in place all my other MBK's, BK's .. I use No glue what so ever.. and the sand paper will make a difference, the hard plastic just glides along too rough a surface.. wet sand paper for metal is the best for this one.. it is not like your common insert.. for those of you who have one in hand.. you will know what I mean.. @tech.. the guy probably had the bezel removed before he did his little "pop off" trick Unless you sand down the bottom the inside of the insert, it will be flush with the crystal. As stated, I would not use gorilla glue for the insert... not only is it very permanent and not needed,.. but the chance of it seeping down and freezing the function of the bezel is probable also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack1024 Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 and the sand paper will make a difference, the hard plastic just glides along too rough a surface.. wet sand paper for metal is the best for this one.. it is not like your common insert.. for those of you who have one in hand.. you will know what I mean.. So this bezel is plastic, not ceramic? Is that true with the one you took out? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 So this bezel is plastic, not ceramic? Is that true with the one you took out? Jack The one I took out was rather soft, the outside seems to be ceramic but I don't know about the other half of the insert.. the replacement seems to be very hard, and if the sand paper is too coarse it will not shave off any material.. it just gets shinny, whatever it is ..it's quite hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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