deniz21 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 hello guys, today i came back from our local costum office..without happy ending but let me beginn.. a few weeks ago i orderd a alligator strap from asia, bevore i orderd i asked them twice if there would be any problems of shipping this in my country, and they said, no theres no problem at all, we ship every week to germany.. ok me thinks, orderd and paid it, yesterday a letter from the costums. today i went there, and after opening the pack they confiscent my gator strap cause its not allowed to ship them in, without specifications, these stupid ..... not even gave me the buckle of the strap, and not even the gift strap that was also in the pack, cause it was not listend on the bill, so i wnt home without NOTHING i realy cant belive this stupid costums in my country, but i have my lesson learnd next time when i order something like this, i foward it over the UK, dam im so angry about that:angry: and also im angry about the seller cause they didnt warnd me about that, i think they missed it. so guys if you are from germany or swiss...forget it and please dont buy any gator, you will loose your money cause purchases from hongkong and stuff gets allways controled and when they find gator thy are history and your money is gone, so take this warning serios and dont get fooled by any sellers from asia or us. when the buy is in eu its save but outhere of the eu there is no incomming. it was a real pricey experince for me, but maybe i can warn one of you, that maybe makes it easier for me best regards denz IMPORTANT UPDATE in my case my seller, offered me a refund in form of another strap, so thats real awsome me thinks, but dont forget stay warned and dont buy gator straps direct to a country like germany or swiss, thats the countrys from them i know that will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Im really sorry to hear this Deniz. I never thought they would keep something that was not a replica. The customs In Germany are unbelievable I agree that going through the UK Is your best bet,so I've heard, good luck on your next purchase. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 thank you mike, yeah thats real weird, but that are the rules next time thrue UK, but i think i stay away a while from gator purchases..but dam this gator was so hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I em not sorry for you,as i hate exotic straps but much more when they come from HK and China you can bet they are made whit non farmed crocs. They are doing a great job when the take this straps, you need a certificate when buying such to not get problems.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 are you sure about that?? where do you know this?? but ok its your right to say this, and your right with that what you said its not good when they kill non farmed crocs for this, but i dont think that this is happened in my case. deniz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I em not sorry for you,as i hate exotic straps but much more when they come from HK and China you can bet they are made whit non farmed crocs. They are doing a great job when the take this straps, you need a certificate when buying such to not get problems.. Well dani I guess you dont eat meat. No fish, fowl or anything that has a face. I would also guess that you dont have any leather goods. Shoes, jackets, gloves,belts, furnture. They are all gods creatures. It really dosent mater If It's In the wild or captivity, It a living thing reguardless. So Im thinking you have absolutely no contact with any animal products what so ever. Because If you do then that would make you my friend a "HYPOCRITE" No leather straps on your Pams? Cows are sacred In some cultures. Well I got go, time for me to put on my pup seal sneakers and eat me some good old Komodo dragon burgers, tasty Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 :rofl: :rofl: oh mike that was cool but hey everybody has is own mind, and when dani sais so, thats cool for me, i dont know him but he is long time here and i respect that very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panera Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 If you nee a straps Check my sell Deniz Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 :rofl: :rofl: oh mike that was cool but hey everybody has is own mind, and when dani sais so, thats cool for me, i dont know him but he is long time here and i respect that very much. Me to Deniz, just trying to make a point, nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 The hide comes from Louisiana.. and is not illegally obtained by poachers, it is regulated.. no CTIES certificate is needed when sending them overseas for manufacture.. but when they are completed a CITIES certificate is needed to be imported "back" to the USA of other Countries.. makes you wonder why they don't just manufacture them here.. trade laws for more money??? I wonder.. A CITIES certificate involves government agencies.. and money that would have to be reported.. the reason a of of vendors don't follow through.. to obtain one the vendor has to go through his/her government.. and you know what paper trail that leads to. so the CITIES is to insure that the hides are not coming from poachers.. or another way to look at it is so the money stays with the powers that be.. If you can buy reptilian straps from within your borders it would be better.. I buy mine form HK.. if lost (and I have 3 lost).. he will replace them.. no questions.. I will never .. ever.. condone nor rationalize.. Elephant hide..no matter what.. that is where I draw the line.. Here is a brief explanation of CITIES in the EU >Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 . I will never .. ever.. condone nor rationalize.. Elephant hide..no matter what.. that is where I draw the line.. I agree mate with watch straps..... due to shortage its a much better idea to just use it for umbrella stands ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I agree mate with watch straps..... due to shortage its a much better idea to just use it for umbrella stands ... I'll take that as the "Brit humor".. and not seriously.. the elephant hair .. I have not problem with wearing on the wrist.. as long as they were plucked from a live one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I'll take that as the "Brit humor".. and not seriously.. the elephant hair .. I have not problem with wearing on the wrist.. as long as they were plucked from a live one Mate if I could get elephant hair I would stick it on my head and go Goth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 elephants killing for there skin or teeth its realy not funny one time i saw in TV a report after a very rich guy who had elephant feets as bar chairs, realy weird and totaly disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 elephants killing for there skin or teeth its realy not funny one time i saw in TV a report after a very rich guy who had elephant feets as bar chairs, realy weird and totaly disgusting. Funny you say that I once saw a documentary showing an elephant using a rich guy as a floor mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniz21 Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 1 to 1 then me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerian Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Funny you say that I once saw a documentary showing an elephant using a rich guy as a floor mat A tooth for an elephant's tooth, a human floormat for an elephant's ear. On a more serious side: The CITES rules started out as a good thing really. I mean, who in their right mind would want to buy croc leather from endangered wild animals. Problem is the procedure has turned out extremely complicated so that you simply can't import something made of exotic leather anymore as a private buyer. When I tried to import my strap I even produced a CITES certificate which proved that the strap was legally produced and exported from China. They told me that was not enough: I also had to get certs for the import into Canada (sellers state), the export out of Canada and the import into Switzerland where I was! Totally absurd! As I wasn't able to get the Canada certs, it was destroyed. A good idea turned totally sour. Val. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demsey Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 lol @ Pete in this thread. The ironic point I think Dani was making is when; things go right for us 'rep' collectors with regard to 'Customs' that means, largely, 'Customs' has failed to do their job. I think, being on RWG these years that Germany, Canada and Belgium are the worst, for us, but do their jobs, the best. If the croc and reps don't make it through, then the Anthrax, Bombs and Lady Gaga CD's won't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 +1 on the lady GaGa CDs!! Customs have some good points!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Well dani I guess you dont eat meat. No fish, fowl or anything that has a face. I would also guess that you dont have any leather goods. Shoes, jackets, gloves,belts, furnture. They are all gods creatures. It really dosent mater If It's In the wild or captivity, It a living thing reguardless. So Im thinking you have absolutely no contact with any animal products what so ever. Because If you do then that would make you my friend a "HYPOCRITE" No leather straps on your Pams? Cows are sacred In some cultures. Well I got go, time for me to put on my pup seal sneakers and eat me some good old Komodo dragon burgers, tasty Mike Animals are our friends not our food! "Vegetarians are cool. All I eat are vegetarians - except for the occasional mountain lion steak." -Ted Nugent Komodo Dragon Burgers? They use that at White Castle right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I tried to eat "rabbit" food for 3 weeks .. by the end of it.. I craved blood red meat dating vegetarians is cool though.. cheap date... ahh nothing like a juicy seared ... totally crispy black charred on the outside.. red juicy med. inside porterhouse steak.. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelizer Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Sorry to hear this denz.. Thought everything would be fine and dandy since it wasn't a rep.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demsey Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 When I used to live in Kendall, FL just off of Alligator Alley a neighbor of mine shot a Black Panther and got caught. He was subpoenaed to court for poaching. Deep [censored]. I went with him when he appeared. He explained to the judge he had a permit to hunt the preserve for the culling of indigenous species and was a sustenance hunter for his large family. The judge showed mercy and gave him the minimum fine and no time served. Whew! But the judge had to ask; "Panther? What the hell does that taste like?" "Oh, a cross between a manatee and a bald eagle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 When I used to live in Kendall, FL just off of Alligator Alley a neighbor of mine shot a Black Panther and got caught. He was subpoenaed to court for poaching. Deep shit. I went with him when he appeared. He explained to the judge he had a permit to hunt the preserve for the culling of indigenous species and was a sustenance hunter for his large family. The judge showed mercy and gave him the minimum fine and no time served. Whew! But the judge had to ask; "Panther? What the hell does that taste like?" "Oh, a cross between a manatee and a bald eagle." :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelizer Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 :rofl: +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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