metaljesus Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 What do the experts think, is this real or fake? This isnt a test - I'm thinking about buying it. So please dont guess if you dont know! Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milanogeek Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 for me is fake, look the serial number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 if it's a replica it's very well made. The caseback has the correct series information (although I don't think the 6568 caseset was used for the E series but it can be a replacement), the movement seems gen (a little hard to tell 100% by the pics), the bezel notch at 11. However a few things bother me: the crown, the fact no picture shows the CG lever and the overall poor quality of all pictures. What's the story? does it come with papers? Any chance for a lume shot, profile shot of the CG and a frontal shot of the movement? for me is fake, look the serial number what about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eton Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 I always buy the seller first then the item, but that's just me. Where did you find the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milanogeek Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 what about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 For me the numbers E1oxx/1200 are not correct, they are too small and without the backgroung as the gen That's how the E series engraving on the 112 is suppose to look. You may be confusing with the inverse engraving you find on the later series. That caseback looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Looks gen. Movement, dial, caseback, crown. If we could see the CG and case profile shown a little better, we'd probably confirm they're OK too. As txcollector said above, the serial is good for E-series base historic Pam. OP6568 case designation is correct for this model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaljesus Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm trying to get more (and better) photos from the seller. I've asked if hed be happy to meet me in an AD and hes taking a while to reply to that one, so may have to give this one a miss. I'll let you know where I've found this guy when Im 100% sure I dont want to buy it, otherwise i might lose it to another RWG user Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnz Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 pretty sure this is a gen.. movement, dial, CG, lugs, crown all look good to me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 For what its worth I agree, its gen. Well certainly the movement, the case, crystal and dial, crown. As for going to AD unless its a PAM boutique (even then??) I would not trust a dealer to recognise a good PAM rep mate or even a gen one!!. Your best source is here or risti with better pics. Assuming the guy has papers and you have serial match you can email Richemont direct to confirm. I have done so in the past. Its not a 100% but they will confirm Millesimation etc. I have a email address for CS direct if you want it. The face to face is best as what the guy offers might not be what you get and as suggested above the seller is the most important part of your decision, any doubt then DONT!! Plus if you do face to face then cash always attracts a better discount!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever123 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 I totally agree with Pete! And yes, all I can see looks gen. The movement is definitely gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaljesus Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Thanks guys, yes the whole trusting the AD thing did occur to me. I tried to tell a guy on ebay a while back he was selling a fake BR01-92 (or something like that). He genuinely appeared to think it was real, and that was because he'd had an AD 'verify' it. AD hadnt even removed the caseback. The request was more to see how he'd respond. Going down to meet him face-to-face would add an extra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteM Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Thanks guys, yes the whole trusting the AD thing did occur to me. I tried to tell a guy on ebay a while back he was selling a fake BR01-92 (or something like that). He genuinely appeared to think it was real, and that was because he'd had an AD 'verify' it. AD hadnt even removed the caseback. The request was more to see how he'd respond. Going down to meet him face-to-face would add an extra £100 or so to the cost. Still, might be money worth spending. Where is he then? I could get to Spain for that But I wouldnt come back....well not for a while!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Face to face is the best way to see if the watch matches the pictures. I'm curious to see if he will answer to the request of more pictures. If not that's not a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sql_pl Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 I think it is genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaljesus Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Where is he then?I could get to Spain for that But I wouldnt come back....well not for a while!! Have you seen how much train fares are these days? Yes I could get to Spain for that price, or I could take a 4 hour train trip within the UK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flin0310 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 It's Gen 1. The back of CG pin there's no rep processed that's good 2. Some angle you see the dial is curved because gen crystal's AR, if rep any angle you see the dial is flat 3. Case back the "PANERAI" engraved on bridge there's no rep processed that's good 4. Why did seller waste lot of time to make a cheap but 100% perfect rep almost like gen PAM to cheat you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
projectologist Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Agree with all of the comments... it's 100% gen. But only buy IF you can see it in-person or have someone you trust look at it. If you do not know the person and they can't give you references of someone you know... then pass. There are plenty of used PAM's out there. Patience is almost always rewarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Thanks guys, yes the whole trusting the AD thing did occur to me. I tried to tell a guy on ebay a while back he was selling a fake BR01-92 (or something like that). He genuinely appeared to think it was real, and that was because he'd had an AD 'verify' it. AD hadnt even removed the caseback. The request was more to see how he'd respond. Going down to meet him face-to-face would add an extra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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