Fake Daytona on Ebay with bids!!

[Guest overboosted]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Daytona-Solid-18...1QQcmdZViewItem

This HAS o be fake. I am still a newbie when it comes to discerning these, but isn't subdial spacing way off, and seconds are at 9 o'clock

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Funny thing, I live within an hour drive of this guy.

[pizzanooo]

Subdials look ok. On the watches age on top it says 2000 or newer in heading, could be a mistake on his part. W series serial # is from the 1995 era, so the serial # jives with it. The seconds at 9:00 would be correct for that year, I believe it changed around 2000. But something in his ad description on the watch and his talking it up, just makes me suspicious.

[Guest overboosted]

The upper subdials are in line with 9 and 3 o'clock on the dial. Shouldn't they be up a little like all the new daytonas?

[pizzanooo]

This one is about as close as I could find, its on the bay now. Looks about the same. Owner says its from around 1999 and the high bidder is Watchcrusher. This guy buys alot of Rollies. I`m no expert but maybe after 2000 when they used their own inhouse movement it moved the dials abit. But like I said before, something about the written part in his ad just does`nt feel right. Just noticed he has claimed he has sold 3 cars, but if you look at his feedback, I only see he has had 2 sales ever. First pic is a gen, second is his.

[alligoat]

I looked at a similar watch today at my watchmakers. It had a W serial number- so it was circa 1995. He took the case back off and it's a 4030 movt.- which I believe is the Zenith, but it had a Rolex rotor. My watchmaker didn't realize that it was a Zenith, but I would figure that Rolex takes the Zenith movement and adds its own signature parts, kinda like they use to do on the Valjoux 72 in the 6263 Daytonas.

BTW, the subdials line up w/ the 3 and the 9 and seconds was at 9 o'clock. And of course, an all gold watch is going to worth more. The one I looked at was TT, with gold dial and bezel, SS case. It looked like a 95 watch, it was pretty well worn- the TT bracelet had a lot of scratches on it.

[KB]

The pre 2000 dials were in line with the 9 and the 3, so that would make these dials correct.

However I'm not saying this is gen, I'm not good enough to make that call.

Ken

[alligoat]

I'd agree with that. Until you take the case back off, who can be certain. And the guy has never sold a watch before, so he's not a dealer or even an enthusiast for that matter. But I guess he's open to using pp, so that's a plus. But I'm not a gambler, so I'd pass!

[KB]

His low feedback score would keep me well away.................well that and the fact that I can't afford to spend that kind of money

Ken

[slay]

its a pre 2000 daytona, they have seconds @9 and non-elevated subdials! spacing and running seconds @9 is correct for that watch

and even with caseback open you couldnt really tell if its gen or not. freddy and river build those pre2000 daytonas with genuine zenith movements and rolex rotor, sometimes gen case and dial... almost impossible to tell!

Edited March 25, 2006 by slay

[ahchard]

looks pretty good...

[ubiquitous]

Not hard at all to build a frankenstein of this model. Here is my 16520- All genuine parts, except the dial which I consider to be non original as it has been repainted on the OEM base. All I need to do is add the Zenith movement, and it's done.

All it takes is money.

[beanyboy]

I think the weight of this Daytona is what ultimately will prove it real or rep. An all gold real Rollie is gonna weigh in at a half a pound! I am exaggerating, but not by much.

A rep will be about half of that.

Beany

One way for eBay sellers to authenticate their auction watches is to give the weight in grams. That't the best indication on a really good rep.

Beany

[Nathaniel]

Dear Overbooster, I know squat about discerning a real Daytona from a rep, but several things don't pass the Nathaniel smell test. First the guy sounds like a carnie barker trying to turn the tip (too much time watching carnies on HBO) Second, he says he's a big time seller, yet he only has 28 feedbacks, and only 2 of those are from sales he made... the rest seem to be all purchases he made. Does that make a lot of sense? How do we know they weren't both setups. I'm not saying the buyers made false statements, but he could have sold something genuine and given AAA service just to get some good ratings from buyers. Who knows? I don't, and that's part of the problem, IMO. I just don't see anything to back up his big ticket items he claims he sold. Also, as someone else pointed out, they thought he was showing a genuine Daytona, and perhaps the rest were his watch. Also, only one photo really shows the dial, and it's kind fuzzy, and maybe that's a real one he may have lifted?

To my wayof thinking, too many questions. I see now that he shows it is sold. I only hope the person buying it knows what they are doing.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.