RWG Technical Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Many times when you are making a custom build, the dial is much thicker than the original dial, and you need longer cannon/hour wheels to allow the hands to clear the dial. Buying new parts would be the easy solution, if they were available... since they are not available, the solution to the problem is to fabricate new parts. Here's an overall view of the Cannon pinion and Hour wheel from a Cortbert 616 as delivered, as you'll see further down, they are much too short for our new dial thickness... As delivered The specifications were to raise the cannon pinion and hour wheel (2 sets) high enough to clear a 1.7mm and 2.7mm dial thickness respectively. I am not going to show all the machining and fabrication steps required to make these new parts, it is a lenghty, time consuming, and demanding process, with tolerances in the +- 0.01mm. I will show the end results of my efforts, I hope you like it and find it interesting. ORIGINAL on the LEFT, NEW on the RIGHT Various views of the longer cannon and hour wheel pipe. Here are the two new sets all finished and ready to send out. Thanks for reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 awesome post as always.. this will make our vintage builds even better looking..thank you so much for this improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andei3000 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Awesome craftmanship there Mr. The Zigmeister! I wish I had the tools to produce such unique parts. Sadly you are not showing the production, as it would be really interesting how to cut the teeth on the hour wheel? -andei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetor Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 nice job The Zigmeister. Sometimes you need a thick dial to make the rehaut thinner looking. You just brought the perfect solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker01 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 WoW! Simply amazing work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebzen02 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 $$? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted December 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 as it would be really interesting how to cut the teeth on the hour wheel? Actually...I didn't cut new teeth on the hour wheel, I cut OFF the old pipe, fabricated a new one, and brazed the new pipe to the old hour wheel gear... How's that for craftmanship? Now I have you thinking don't I... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted December 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 $$? $100 for the set. You supply the original parts, I do the modifications. Turn time, less than 2 weeks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatronSaintofChainsaws Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 $100 for the set. You supply the original parts, I do the modifications. Turn time, less than 2 weeks... PM incoming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Superb work! I love posts like this! I always appreciate your fine craftsmanship! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krpster Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Very cool. This is modding at it's best. Nice work Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andei3000 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Actually...I didn't cut new teeth on the hour wheel, I cut OFF the old pipe, fabricated a new one, and brazed the new pipe to the old hour wheel gear... How's that for craftmanship? Now I have you thinking don't I... I wouldn't call it craftmanship, that's just frightfully clever! Skipping the crucial part of reproducing the teeth makes it cheaper and the parts have to be fitting as they are the originals... (where's the hats off smiley ) -Andei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 You'll have a package from me..... as soon as I find me a 616 of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 This is going to make alot of people very happy. Kudos as always to The Zigmeister, for helping our community! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted December 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 You'll have a package from me..... as soon as I find me a 616 of course. I have a 616 sitting here in it's original case, with original dial and hands, fully serviced, in pristine condition with a non-branded ratchet gear, ready to go...if your interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Would this fix work on the 2893-2 movement to get the hands high enough to clear the dial indices on a GMT master IIc? That seems to be the biggest sticking point preventing a movement swap from a 2836-2 to a 2893-2 Beautiful work as usual . :thumbsupsmileyanim: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted December 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Would this fix work on the 2893-2 movement to get the hands high enough to clear the dial indices on a GMT master IIc? That seems to be the biggest sticking point preventing a movement swap from a 2836-2 to a 2893-2 Beautiful work as usual . :thumbsupsmileyanim: The parts are very small on that size of movements and it would be a real challenge to make them. Given it's a recent movement there is no need to fabricate new ones anyway.... ETA makes a large variety of lenghts and there are some that are really long, so replacement with new parts should be the solution. The biggest problem with this type of swap is always the location of the stem, it doesn't line up with the case tube and is the no-go issue and not correctable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoast68 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 Cool stuff indeed!! Good to see you posting again Rob!! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 The parts are very small on that size of movements and it would be a real challenge to make them. Given it's a recent movement there is no need to fabricate new ones anyway.... ETA makes a large variety of lenghts and there are some that are really long, so replacement with new parts should be the solution. The biggest problem with this type of swap is always the location of the stem, it doesn't line up with the case tube and is the no-go issue and not correctable. i understand. i thought the problem was with the hands, but the case not accepting the movement certainly is a no-go situation. thanks very much for clearing that up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 Brilliant work; your incomparable reputation is completely deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Mike Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 I am not going to show all the machining and fabrication steps required to make these new parts, it is a lenghty, time consuming, and demanding process, with tolerances in the +- 0.01mm. I will show the end results of my efforts, I hope you like it and find it interesting. Oh come on Z, From one machinist to another, would love to see the process... Would love to just have watchmakers lathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin24 Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Hi, I'm trying to contact Z with no success, can anyone share his contact info? I'm looking for someone to help me with a 203A project... Cheers, Catalin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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