marcoxxx1984 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Hi friends, I'm thinking about a new project... A DW 6263 project with valjoux 23... Could you please give me some info (even by PM) on prices of the following items: - DW top grade dial and hands - genuine tropic 21. How is the quality of clark's tropic or sternkreuz?? - genuine crown (whic one should I get? 7mm or 6mm?? - ofrei pushers Thanks friends!! Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Im doing the same project. Only problem is the V23 now costs as much as a v72!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Im doing the same project. Only problem is the V23 now costs as much as a v72!!! Sometimes more than a V72! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Sometimes more than a V72! Yep! Agreed! Get a VJ72, marcoxxx... It's more worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 - DW top grade dial and hands - genuine tropic 21. How is the quality of clark's tropic or sternkreuz?? - genuine crown (whic one should I get? 7mm or 6mm?? - ofrei pushers Dial/hands - click here Gen T21 averages around $200 (ebay, etc) Gen crowns (either 6mm Twinlock or 7mm Triplock are correct for the 6263) average around $200 (ebay, etc) Ofrei pushers - click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoxxx1984 Posted January 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Well... You can find val72 for about 5-600 euros instead a val23 value on the bay is more or less 300 euros... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Personally, I wouldn't trust a lot of the stuff on eBay to be in correct, proper working order. It would be a good idea to factor in some extra cash for servicing and parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 So whats the difference between the DW mystery movement case and the v72 case? Thickness? I guess I'll just throw my 6263 in the trash and start over... I remember a number of years back, there were two complete v72 watches for sale that apparently belonged to DW himself. Asking price was $1800 each I believe... or maybe it was $2800? Either way I should have bought one. It would have been cheaper than this 4 year project I'm still working on here... dizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 The V72 is a little bit taller in profile than the V23, if I recall correct. If you're using a V23/MM case and trying to fit a V72, the back of the rehaut will need to be taken down on a lathe to get the stem to line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think i will end up going with a v72 case... I dont see this one getting completed anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Domi fitted my V726 in a MM case with no problem. I think he didn't even have to modify the case, perhaps I was very lucky and David stuck mine in a V72 case. I don't know for sure, but I guess that's what he does since it wouldn't be very practical for him to have extra cases for a relatively low demand version. As I told you on another forum don't buy the V23 copy, it'll break eventually, IF it does works when you receive it. I would also go for a gen V72 instead of a V23. Rehaut will be wrong when you put a V23 in it and the price difference today also doesn't justify the "small" solution. Something I've learned from my 6263 (which was a headache and took me over a year to finish) is that careful planning will save you tons of cash. Think about what you expect from your watch, if it's accuracy bite the bullet and save up some more. If you just like the Cosmograph design and look for a relatively cheap solution go for the 7760 version, it'll save you a lot of trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think i will end up going with a v72 case... I dont see this one getting completed anytime soon. If I still had my extra V72 case, I'd just give it to you. But I already gave it away last month... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoxxx1984 Posted January 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Even the genuine Val23 has wrong rehaut compared to a gen Val72? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiesn089 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I thinks so, the hight of both movements is slightly different, see here: Valjoux 72: H=6.95mm Valjoux 23: H=5.82mm With my V726 installed the difference is very striking compared to when the copy movement was installed. I don't think Domi modified the case, so it should be a similar difference when you fit a gen V23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 The difference between a V23/MM case and V72 isn't so much in the rehaut, it's in the crown/stem height (i.e. the position in which the hole for the tube is drilled in the case). Here is a comparison of my V72 6265 franken and my wife's MM movement 6263. Valjoux 72; case is a Phong/JW case. Note the crown's position/height in relation to the pushers: Valjoux 23; case is an early DW. Note that the crown on this is much higher/closer toward the bezel: Rehaut on both. Gen silver dial is the V72; PN exotic dial is the DW: BTW, for the record my old original DW from a few years back had a Swiss V23 that I had transplanted with no problems. A V23 going into a MM is a 1 to 1 swap. For the few folks that had retrofit a V72 into their MM cases at the time, modification to the rehaut was necessary to allow the V72 to sit deeper in the case thus allowing the stem to line up center in the tube. The height difference is maybe less than a mm which doesn't sound like much, but when you're dealing with tolerances as small as those involved with lining a stem center in a tube, it's significant as the result could be snapped stems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 If I still had my extra V72 case, I'd just give it to you. But I already gave it away last month... Thanks for the thoughts anyways Ubi! After seeing the difference in rehaut between the two, the choice is apparent. I did not know there was a difference. There isnt too much talk these days here about the old daytonas... Thats probably a good thing though because I would be broke if I got excited about this one again! dizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Believe me... V72 is worth the extra cash and effort... Plus, the compatibility of gen dials and the sort is an added bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 So does the V23 use a different dial than the v72?? I thought they were the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I don't recall. When I did my V23 swap, I just re-used the old DW dial and snipped the feet off. But in theory, it should be the same for the dial. The hands were something of a mess, though; a mish mash of V72 and DW hands, some broached to fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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