xiang Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Newb, here. I'm looking at a PAM111M, Noob with the black rubber strap. I'm assuming that the strap is rep as well by the description and lack of any description of OEM and such. My question is, can anyone tell me if there is a good place to get the PAM OEM strap of your choice? I'd like a nice leather one to change out as needed and figured a gen strap would be nice. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 You may want to look in the straps section on the site. There are good places for people on a budget 40$-60$ and strap makers who can make just about anything you want. Those prices generally run 100-200$. If you do the custom strap, generally you can get one nicer than a gen which would cost at least 2x Check the strap makes and google Panerai strap. There is a long list of vendors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) probably you should spend your money getting a quality strap instead of getting an OEM strap. You can pay for an OEM strap (you are paying just for that) but you won't really know if what you got is OEM or not. It can be a very good quality rep and then try to prove that it's not OEM. If you are good you may have your doubts but you'll never be 100% sure. I'm sure as we speak there are tons of rep straps being sold as OEM to people who understand straps and they don's even know. Thing is there are so many people who make excellent straps, who understand straps inside out, who are attempted every day to slap all the Pan markings on them and be able to make another easy $150 on top of that. If you think about it, on Paneristi and eBay and other places there are so many OEM brand new straps being sold with their bags and everything, where on Earth exactly do they come from? If people hate the OEM straps so much and they all want to sell them and but the aftermarket ones why do they keep buying them? Wasn't it the other day that here n this very forum they uncovered this eBay listing for a rep strap that was being sold as OEM? And of all things, what did they think was not right in th whole picture? THE BAG!!! So there you have it. Edited January 12, 2012 by poretl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Xiang Gator OEM's are pretty easy to spot if you do your research FAKE Gen Gen Croc & possibly OEM The quality of the gator is quite easy to see in the pictures. Again another Gen I would say These are pretty nice Gators non oem , or peterwcc or cajun are also very good. But personally a good OEM gator is a nice thing to have and really takes your watch up a level and worth the investment if you like them Price range used $150 - 250 new up to $300 Calf leather is not so easy see in pictures, the Black and Brown (Gold) can be tricky and may require more caution. Possibly Gen More than likely gen See how the strap colour thread is different ? and that the 2nd one has groove around the edge Well Angus has pulled that off as well making it tricky But around the keepers ist not quite deep enough. The trouble with Calf leather its not until it in your hand that you know its a dud. So as always check the seller if it smells dodgy in anyway dont proceed as mentioned there are loads of great straps out there .... List of Straps pilfered from RWI (thanks to jb) Strap Culture http://www.strapculture.com/ Savage http://replica-watch.cc/forum/index.php?board=55.0 http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewforum.php?f=88 scotsalmon@houston.rr.com Maker of beautiful leather straps at reasonable prices International Watch Man http://www.internationalwatchman.com/ Not only straps and bracelets, but custom watches and watch tools too. Really great prices! Europelli http://www.europelli.com/ Home of the famous “Baseball Strap” BOB Straps http://www.waccex.de The people’s choice for “close to gen” Breitling strap Mario Paci http://www.mariopaci.com/ Manifatture Firenze http://www.manifatturefirenze.it/ Strap Works http://www.strap-works.com/collection.htm Strapmaster USA http://www.strapmastersusa.com/ Greg Stevens http://gregstraps.blogspot.com/ Time Connection http://www.tcstraps.com Everybody knows E. Home of the “Big Balls” specials. E also offer a special discount coupon for RWI members. HK Tan http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewforum.php?f=39 aarontanhk@hotamil.com Aaron is a popular custom strap maker Strap Code http://www.strapcode.com/ Straps and bracelets for a wide range of watches including, Rollie, PAM, Omega, B & R, TAG, etc... OFFERS VINTAGE BRACELETS WITH LOGOS! THIS SITE IS A MUST SEE! Taikonaut http://www.taikonaut-time.com/indexa.asp There are some pretty cool looking skins on this site. Worth a look Kaktus Straps http://www.kaktus-straps.com/home.htm Great looking leather for Panerai. His "High End" line looks fantastic, but has a high end price that come with it. ABP Paris http://www.abp-paris.com/panerai_straps.html Custom Strap Maker Jean Rousseau http://www.jean-rousseau.com/htm/custom.htm Maker of custom straps for all watch brands Germano http://www.germano.de/ Don Straps http://www.homestead.com/rlx/DON6.html Simona Straps http://www.simonastraps.com/index.asp?s ... osezione=0 Sirtoli Straps http://www.sirtoli.com/ Sells a variety of skins for watches other than Panerai The Watch Boutique on the Big Watch Forum http://www.bigwatchforum.com/boutique/ Anyone looking for a B & R strap? Global Watch Band http://www.globalwatchband.com/ Watches 24 Seven http://www.watches24seven.com/ Cool Vintage offerings: http://www.watches24seven.com/gallery2/ ... temId=4324 Panatime http://www.panatime.com/ Sells strap cases, buckles, deployments, tubs, screws, etc… Banda http://www.banda.com/ Straps, cases, buckles, deployments, etc… The Watch Prince http://www.thewatchprince.com/ No affiliation with TWP. Sells watch straps and other watch accessories AllStraps http://altstraps.com/ Nice Bell & Ross aftermarket straps! Panerai Strap Reference http://www.paneristi.com/straps/index.html Good luck ST4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabularasa415 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Don't forget heroic18 and Ted su.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relaxman Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Kain Heritage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) great post about straps. I think this one is NOT gen (I mean OEM): Edited January 12, 2012 by poretl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 but in any case, if you end up getting a rep that it's impossible for you to tell if it's gen or rep (same quality, real leather, detailed craftmanship, exact markings etc) then where's the problem really? There is a problem in that you overpaid for nothing but is it really for nothing? No. Aren't we overpaying anyways, rep or real, when they pay $10 000 for a watch and $500 for a strap? You bet we are. I would say the REAL problem is if you paid the OEM price and got a garbage quality rep and you don't know because you have no experience with real quality straps so in your eyes the bad strap looks ok. So while it may happen to a complete novice, after a few straps' experience this is that much less likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relaxman Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 great post about straps. I think this one is NOT gen (I mean OEM): I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I agree Of course we don't know if it's a rep either. Maybe the strap itself does not claim it's an OEM. We have to see the back side. Maybe it's an aftermarket one and it's being sold as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) this one's a gen one Edited January 12, 2012 by poretl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) Here's also one (OEM) with the white stitches to compare with the above (VERY likely non-OEM) Edited January 12, 2012 by poretl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 That's a good list I use HKTAN his link there is old http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d25/HKTAN1/ pass HKTAN His email is the hotmail address above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 the pass is hktan lower case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Also before you pay any amount for an OEM strap, used or new, make sure you are not overpaying relative to what a brand new, 100% OEM, costs straight from the manufacturer or an AD. For example when you are buying a used supposedly OEM strap from an unknown source there are 2 factors to be taken into acccount. How much life there's left in it and the uncertainty. So it has to be discounted accordingly. You keep something like this as a source of reference: http://www.paneristi.com/straps/Strap%20Price%20lists%202009/Strap_price_2009_list_page1.jpg http://www.paneristi.com/straps/Strap%20Price%20lists%202009/Strap_price_2009_list_page2.jpg http://www.paneristi.com/straps/Strap%20Price%20lists%202009/Strap_price_2009_list_page3.jpg http://www.paneristi.com/straps/Strap%20Price%20lists%202009/Strap_price_2009_list_page4.jpg http://www.paneristi.com/straps/Strap%20Price%20lists%202009/Strap_price_2009_list_page5.jpg http://www.paneristi.com/straps/Strap%20Price%20lists%202009/Strap_price_2009_list_page6.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 @stormtoopper4, Excellent info above. Great for any noob or a seasoned member! Nice Work My Friend.. MM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 @stormtoopper4, Excellent info above. Great for any noob or a seasoned member! Nice Work My Friend.. MM Thanks its a mine field though Also before you pay any amount for an OEM strap, used or new, make sure you are not overpaying relative to what a brand new, 100% OEM, costs straight from the manufacturer or an AD. For example when you are buying a used supposedly OEM strap from an unknown source there are 2 factors to be taken into acccount. How much life there's left in it and the uncertainty. So it has to be discounted accordingly. You keep something like this as a source of reference: as you can see there are variations on the gold calf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiang Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 It never ceases to amaze me how much there is to all of this. Thanks for all of the information, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 as you can see there are variations on the gold calf oh, I would never bet a penny on a guess that a strap is or is not OEM unless a strap is of terrible quality and claims to be OEM. So I have no conviction if that's where you're getting at. You're right there are many kinds of the gold strap and what is also true is that not all straps of the same kind have to be identical. There seems to be no consistency really. Very hard, or rather impossible, to be 100% sure. The only true test is the quality test. If the quality is bad then it's not OEM. Not the other way around. But again, if someone sells you a top quality strap, that looks like OEM and claims to be OEM then WTF cares if it is or is not truly OEM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 It never ceases to amaze me how much there is to all of this. Thanks for all of the information, guys. Nor will it Re pass Damn iPad. It's getting out of control with auto correct Also isn't the thing w pams that you change the strap? I mean if you know enough to spot a genstrap they are going to own aftermarket ones. Best advice don't worry about others, buy Stuff you will like. If you don't know. Wait. Or buy discounted. Only way to learn is to jump in and swim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I agree I think this guy is a bit dodgy and bloody expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgenk Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) This is definitely treacherous water I have found that one of the best ways to find fake straps on eBay is to search using authentic an OEM. Also pics with the fake bag prominent in the first pic is also a red flag. If they have a showroom somewhere legit and sell legit watches this helps but is still no guarantee. I think the second strap (honey gator with light stitching that ends with a side stitch near the lugs) in the st4's post is a nice real gator strap but not gen OP, this is quite different from the strap that came with my gen. But you never know since OP changes specs designs and suppliers all the time... Edited January 13, 2012 by Jurgenk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poretl Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 But you never know since OP changes specs designs and suppliers all the time... that's the thing. So even the comparison test fails (in case you happen to have the gen one and put them side by side). With watches you compare them, you 'memorize' how a real watch looks like, if yuo cannot do a side by side comparison, and there you are. You got your answer. But as you said, not with straps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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