Cartel 1675 & 5512; how to convert to low beat movement?

[ceejay]

They are the same movement.

No they are not., Gmt & date change is totally different, balance c oc k is different.

Edited December 18, 2013 by ceejay

[sneed12]

"GMT is totally different" doesn't make any sense, since the 2813 doesn't have GMT function.

 

Date change mechanism is indeed slightly different, but it's due to the fact that the 3804 GMT function piggybacks off of the calendar drive wheel (just like a 2893-2 or a GMT modded 2836 does).

 

Balance [censored] is the same across both movements.

 

 

[ceejay]

As far as I am concerned the 3804 you are showing is a modified (GMT) 2813

 

Here in my opinion is the real 3804 as supplied by Cousins UK. This movement has a far more reliable date change and better implementation of the GMT function.

 

I have posted before about my concerns of dubious suppliers selling a modified 2813 (GMT) as a 3804.

Make your own mind up?

 

 

[gsiguy]

Let me just ask if this is correct... If i buy a cartel 1675 and i want it low beat, i will have to:-

 

(1) Get a DG3804(B?) movement;

(2) Source a different set of hands (probably from Rafflestime);

(3) However, i can retain the cartel DWO, stem and crown, and also the cartel dial (if i want?).

 

I'm probably wrong on point (3) but do let me know cos the info i get is somewhat confusing me from all the 1675 threads i've read so far...

[gsiguy]

So... anyone?  I have ordered and am at the QC stage of the 1675 & 5512 purchase.

 

So, for the 1675 - i think i have a pretty good chance of sourcing a DG3804 movement locally.  What else will i need to pass to Rolexaddict besides the movement and the watch?  Like i said, it's beginning to get a little confusing, what with the varying opinions on which is a "proper" DG 3804 movement, etc. 

 

Also - Do i need hands? Do i need a new dial?  Crown/tube?  I am afraid that whilst there is mention of sourcing these parts to fit a DG3804 movement on some other threads, i also realise that some of these threads do stretch a bit back and i wonder if it is applicable to the current Cartel 1675...  So i'd really appreciate any guidance on this aspect.

 

As for the 5512 - will be trying to get a 2846 movement too and i presume this will be a straightforward movement swap?

 

Once again, thanks in advance for the wise and learned advice that follows! (and sorry if i didn't seem to reaserch properly; in all earnesty i have looked and perhaps i am abit new in the subject but whilst there are leads to my questions, i have difficulty finding definitive answers).

[gsiguy]

So i got my cartel 1675 and 5512 in hand (had to get TD to change it at QC stage cos it came with close 6 & 9s for the 1675).

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i do however have 2 rudimentary questions which i hope can find help in though:-

 

(1) Are the bezels supposed to rotate with no clicks and little resistance?  I seem to have it that way and it seems odd having been used to modern clicking bezels...

(2) Is the GMT/Time/Date adjustments usually very difficult on the watch, it seems pretty hard to find the exact point when you pull put the crown.  I keep having difficulty finding either the date or the GMT hand adjustment...

 

Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated...

Edited December 30, 2013 by gsiguy

[gsiguy]

Anyone? Don't wanna hand JJ an unmoddable watch... Sent from my RM-821_apac_singapore_293 using Tapatalk

[ceejay]

I can only talk about the 1675 as I have not owned the other model.

 

1, Yes the 1675 bezel turns in both directions without a clik, it does not operate the same as say a Submariner Divers Model.

 

2, Their is no seperate GMT hand adjustment on the 1675 (there shouldn't be) It should operate like a normal watch. After unscrewing the crown the first click when pulled out will be the date adjustment, try rotating the crown in both direction to move the date wheel.

 

When you pull the crown out to the second click all 3 hands (minute, hour & GMT) should all move together, at 12 oclock midnight they should all be pointing to 12 oclock. The GMT hand does one rotation every 24 hours so at 12oclock midday the GMT hand should be at the 6oclock position.

 

Hope this helps.

[AKTime]

What's a good TD to source a cartel 1675?

 

 

Thanks

[ceejay]

Cartel are the trusted dealers.

Joshua @ Perfect Clones

Andrew @ Trusty Time

 

Buy from either of these dealers and you will receive a cartel model.

[gsiguy]

I can only talk about the 1675 as I have not owned the other model.

 

1, Yes the 1675 bezel turns in both directions without a clik, it does not operate the same as say a Submariner Divers Model.

 

2, Their is no seperate GMT hand adjustment on the 1675 (there shouldn't be) It should operate like a normal watch. After unscrewing the crown the first click when pulled out will be the date adjustment, try rotating the crown in both direction to move the date wheel.

 

When you pull the crown out to the second click all 3 hands (minute, hour & GMT) should all move together, at 12 oclock midnight they should all be pointing to 12 oclock. The GMT hand does one rotation every 24 hours so at 12oclock midday the GMT hand should be at the 6oclock position.

 

Hope this helps.

Thanks for responding!

 

Yes, am glad i got the worry about the smooth bezel on the 1675 answered.  The 5512 is the same; smooth turning bezel in both directions.

 

As for the GMT hand, yes, it does seem to be adjustable on my watch,  The hard part is trying to pull the crown out at the right point as it seems so darn close to the time adjustments...  Btw, it is advertised as an independently adjustable GMT hand... http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=8348

[ceejay]

On the gen and if you swap for the DG3804 the GMT hand is not independent, also the gen does not have a hacking feature. you could ask jj to remove this if you wanted as it's an easy mod and will not affect the running of the movement.

[gsiguy]

On the gen and if you swap for the DG3804 the GMT hand is not independent, also the gen does not have a hacking feature. you could ask jj to remove this if you wanted as it's an easy mod and will not affect the running of the movement.

Thanks, i was curious about the manner in which the 2836 movement functioned and why it is so hard to distinguish between the time and GMT movement adjustments...

 

I intend to get the DG3804B and get JJ to swop out the 2836 movement so i'm not too concerned about the manner in which the GMT hand adjusts manually.  However, i am still in the dark as to whether the cartel dial and hands will work with it and whether i should make it more gen-like by getting new hands/dial.

[FxrAndy]

If you have an ETA style movement you will need new hands to fit to the 3804 movement

[gsiguy]

If you have an ETA style movement you will need new hands to fit to the 3804 movement

 

Thanks for the response.

 

HANDS

 

From the searches so far, i keep hearing that Rafflestime may be able to supply the appropriate hands.  However, i do not see it on their website nor do i see a contact email there for Ken(?).  Does anyone have Rafflestime's email?

 

DIAL

 

Do i change this?

 

In the write-up regarding the Cartel 1675 build, JJ states that following:-

 

The case is engraved 1675 which is a plus. Although the only movement option is a more exepensive ETA, the transformation is so far cheaper as with the Explorer : no need of a bezel assembly, the stock dial is pretty good, interesting for aging and relume.

 

Now i'm wondering if he considers it as good enough to be convincing, or is there a big difference between this and a gen dial or one from Yuki or Rafflestime?

 

Now i know most of you will think: why don't this noobass ask JJ himself?  The problem is (and this is not knocking the great guy) he can be a little slow in responding.  So i was hoping that those of you with the experience of a 1675 build (using the DG3804B movement) will be able to advise and guide me on this aspect of the build...