Megamanila Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I just ordered the Forged Carbon Diver from Andrew at Trusty. While I really like the look of the watch, my intention is to use it as a dive watch. I have some previous experience of successfully waterproofing dive equipment (I do a lot of underwater photography). My questions to guys who own the watch and had a look inside: does it have all the necessary gaskets to make it leak tight in place? I've had experience with a couple of replicas that were sold as "water resistant" but lacked the very basic gaskets for the job? I will have a look at the watch once it comes in anyway and post an update here, but thought I'd have a quick check here ahead of time. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misiekped Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yes Have all the gaskets in place And in addition they greased them to I have mine tested to 7atm with no issues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Yes Have all the gaskets in place And in addition they greased them to I have mine tested to 7atm with no issues Great! Can't wait to get hold of the watch and test it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I have the FC V3 diver and it passed a 6 atmos test. That's not enough for a dive watch, but it reassures me that it's safe for washing hands, and possibly a swim in the ocean or pool. I couldn't test it to any greater depth as my tester only goes to 6 atmos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrononna Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I've had experience with a couple of replicas that were sold as "water resistant" but lacked the very basic gaskets for the job? don't trust the claimed water resistance by dealer unless you have it tested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 I will take it down on a couple of tech dives (1 hour plus with an average depth of 30m~4ATM) after I have a poke around with the internals to check that all gaskets are in place / well greased / re-grease where needed. Will bring a surface marker balloon with me in case it needs "bailing out".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchguy2 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Please let us know how it went.I have 2 myself and taking in consideration that they are cunstructed like the gen I would not see why they would not hold their water resistance up to 100m and more (given all the seals are present and greased) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaknockov Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) I would NOT recommend using a carbon-cased watch for diving. The reason they discontinued the gen FC Diver is because they had tremendous difficulty maintaining water-resistance consistency, and when you take into account the fact that the rep cases/gaskets are nowhere near as well made as the gens, you're just asking for problems. Edited January 11, 2014 by Imaknockov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andman Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I would NOT recommend using a carbon-cased watch for diving. The reason they discontinued the gen FC Diver is because they had tremendous difficulty maintaining water-resistance consistency, and when you take into account the fact that the rep cases/gaskets are nowhere near as well made as the gens, you're just asking for problems. It appeared to be discontinued..... but it is back up on the AP site again..... next to the ceramic in the line up...... I think AP may have resolved their FC issues..... With regard to WP........ I would never trust the facs claims with any of my watches...... I have the V3 and H fac FC divers... and they with about 5 other AP´s will al be going to Domi for WP.. AR.... and movement mods.... SS models .. a re polish as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 That is absolutely NOT why they were possibly thinking if discontinuing Forged Carbon, and it's not discontinued... Sincerely from someone who speaks to the CEO of ap on a regular basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 So I got the diver from Andrew at Trusty Time on Tuesday. As per, the transaction was flawless, and the watch got to me a week after I placed the order. The watch looks superb and feels well made, keeps time well (though the rotor on the movement is very noisy, it seems the bearing is of poor quality and makes quite a racket). Going back to the original topic of this thread, one of the reasons I bought the watch was to use as a dive watch. I decided to have a look inside. I started by taking the 8 screws off the bottom of the case. These were not tightened very well, so lesson number one is if you are planning to taking this watch anywhere near water make sure to check that these are not loose. Once I got them out I took off the case back to find a greased rubber gasket on the case back. As a precaution I re-greased the gasket with some silicone grease that I normally use on my underwater camera and torch o-rings. Next I removed the 8 mini-nuts that hold the hexagonal bolts and the ceramic bezel and the front glass in place. Upon taking the ceramic bezel off I discovered that bezel was cracked at the nuts in at least 3 places, similar to what is described by olreon in his post here http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/158555-carbon-diver-on-trustytime/page-8. I believe this to be due partly due to the lack of rubber mini-gaskets on the bolts (gen has them), so when tightened the metal on ceramic pressure simply cracks the bezel. I believe this can be solved by the manufacturer by including these mini gaskets in. In terms of water resistance, these gaskets stop the water from getting into a space below the bezel and corroding the bolts. This would be quite relevant if you are going to expose the watch to salt water which is quite corrosive. Having said that since the movement is sealed by the front glass which has an additional rubber gasket, this issue with the bolts does not affect the water resistance of the watch. Taking the front glass off, on the underside I found a well placed rubber gasket (though this one was quite dry). I greased it with silicon, checked for dust and re-assembled the watch. Throughout the process I did not take out the movement, as there really was not need for it. Once done I greased the gaskets on both crowns, and dropped the watch into a glass of water to sit overnight. Next morning I check the watch and it seems to have passed this initial test. I will take it diving over the next couple of weeks to see how it holds up at depth over a period of 1-2 hours. Having taken the watch apart however I must say that something like a Rolex Submariner should make a more reliable dive companion, as it has far fewer potential failure points than this AP. As such I think I might splash out on a Sub (possibly even a gen). Hope you guys find this useful. Will keep you posted on further developments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Just a quick update on the FC Diver waterproofing. Took it out to a couple of 100ft+ (30m) dives, each dive lasting around 1 hour. Happy to report that the watch held up superbly with no sign of any leakage. If you are planning to take yours for a swim, I would strongly recommend carrying out the same process as I did to make sure all gaskets are in place and well greased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 So I got the diver from Andrew at Trusty Time on Tuesday. As per, the transaction was flawless, and the watch got to me a week after I placed the order. The watch looks superb and feels well made, keeps time well (though the rotor on the movement is very noisy, it seems the bearing is of poor quality and makes quite a racket). Going back to the original topic of this thread, one of the reasons I bought the watch was to use as a dive watch. I decided to have a look inside. I started by taking the 8 screws off the bottom of the case. These were not tightened very well, so lesson number one is if you are planning to taking this watch anywhere near water make sure to check that these are not loose. Once I got them out I took off the case back to find a greased rubber gasket on the case back. As a precaution I re-greased the gasket with some silicone grease that I normally use on my underwater camera and torch o-rings. Next I removed the 8 mini-nuts that hold the hexagonal bolts and the ceramic bezel and the front glass in place. Upon taking the ceramic bezel off I discovered that bezel was cracked at the nuts in at least 3 places, similar to what is described by olreon in his post here http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/158555-carbon-diver-on-trustytime/page-8. I believe this to be due partly due to the lack of rubber mini-gaskets on the bolts (gen has them), so when tightened the metal on ceramic pressure simply cracks the bezel. I believe this can be solved by the manufacturer by including these mini gaskets in. In terms of water resistance, these gaskets stop the water from getting into a space below the bezel and corroding the bolts. This would be quite relevant if you are going to expose the watch to salt water which is quite corrosive. Having said that since the movement is sealed by the front glass which has an additional rubber gasket, this issue with the bolts does not affect the water resistance of the watch. Taking the front glass off, on the underside I found a well placed rubber gasket (though this one was quite dry). I greased it with silicon, checked for dust and re-assembled the watch. Throughout the process I did not take out the movement, as there really was not need for it. Once done I greased the gaskets on both crowns, and dropped the watch into a glass of water to sit overnight. Next morning I check the watch and it seems to have passed this initial test. I will take it diving over the next couple of weeks to see how it holds up at depth over a period of 1-2 hours. Having taken the watch apart however I must say that something like a Rolex Submariner should make a more reliable dive companion, as it has far fewer potential failure points than this AP. As such I think I might splash out on a Sub (possibly even a gen). Hope you guys find this useful. Will keep you posted on further developments. Thank you very much for the tip. I have always wanted to do a DIY waterproofing on my AP diver and well now I can, with your post as a guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martijnp Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 So I got the diver from Andrew at Trusty Time on Tuesday. As per, the transaction was flawless, and the watch got to me a week after I placed the order. The watch looks superb and feels well made, keeps time well (though the rotor on the movement is very noisy, it seems the bearing is of poor quality and makes quite a racket). Going back to the original topic of this thread, one of the reasons I bought the watch was to use as a dive watch. I decided to have a look inside. I started by taking the 8 screws off the bottom of the case. These were not tightened very well, so lesson number one is if you are planning to taking this watch anywhere near water make sure to check that these are not loose. Once I got them out I took off the case back to find a greased rubber gasket on the case back. As a precaution I re-greased the gasket with some silicone grease that I normally use on my underwater camera and torch o-rings. Next I removed the 8 mini-nuts that hold the hexagonal bolts and the ceramic bezel and the front glass in place. Upon taking the ceramic bezel off I discovered that bezel was cracked at the nuts in at least 3 places, similar to what is described by olreon in his post here http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/158555-carbon-diver-on-trustytime/page-8. I believe this to be due partly due to the lack of rubber mini-gaskets on the bolts (gen has them), so when tightened the metal on ceramic pressure simply cracks the bezel. I believe this can be solved by the manufacturer by including these mini gaskets in. In terms of water resistance, these gaskets stop the water from getting into a space below the bezel and corroding the bolts. This would be quite relevant if you are going to expose the watch to salt water which is quite corrosive. Having said that since the movement is sealed by the front glass which has an additional rubber gasket, this issue with the bolts does not affect the water resistance of the watch. Taking the front glass off, on the underside I found a well placed rubber gasket (though this one was quite dry). I greased it with silicon, checked for dust and re-assembled the watch. Throughout the process I did not take out the movement, as there really was not need for it. Once done I greased the gaskets on both crowns, and dropped the watch into a glass of water to sit overnight. Next morning I check the watch and it seems to have passed this initial test. I will take it diving over the next couple of weeks to see how it holds up at depth over a period of 1-2 hours. Having taken the watch apart however I must say that something like a Rolex Submariner should make a more reliable dive companion, as it has far fewer potential failure points than this AP. As such I think I might splash out on a Sub (possibly even a gen). Hope you guys find this useful. Will keep you posted on further developments. Thanks for sharing this, very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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