Terrible Fake In Kill Bill 2

[rag9fx]

I was watching kill bill 2 with my girlfriend last night. In the scene where Uma Thurman is taking the home pregnancy test she times it with a pretty apalling Daytona with calander registers :yucky: . You would think they would have the pull to atleast borrow a gen or find a better rep - hmmm... makes me wonder about the watch used in Pulp Fiction for Walkins war story.

[CY0811]

to me it was almost as if they out a fake in on purpose, however I doubt it....it was just such a bad rep!

[omni]

We covered this in a RWG thread when the movie first came out in dvd. In the movie biz, a lot of the items actors wear are from the prop dept., its part of the costuming. As expensive as movies are to make they don't usually have $10 K - $20 K daytonas in the inventory. Most everything provided is a replica. However, since Pannies are not that expensive, the ones you probably see in recent movies are probably real unless the prop. dept. guys are members of our rep. forums! Also product placement by the watch companies goes on, thus you will see IWC, Omega, etc. vying for screen time on closeups of actors checking the time on their watches.

[Pugwash]

makes me wonder about the watch used in Pulp Fiction for Walkins war story.

Vintage Rolex. Looked like a very, very old oyster (it'd need to be waterproof where it was stored)

[Pugwash]

However, since Pannies are not that expensive, the ones you probably see in recent movies are probably real unless the prop. dept. guys are members of our rep. forums!

Most Panerais in movies belong to the actors wearing them.

[ubiquitous]

Most Panerais in movies belong to the actors wearing them.

Yesh... Like Jason Stratham's, Arnie's, or Stallone's. All self provided props

[slay]

We covered this in a RWG thread when the movie first came out in dvd. In the movie biz, a lot of the items actors wear are from the prop dept., its part of the costuming. As expensive as movies are to make they don't usually have $10 K - $20 K daytonas in the inventory. Most everything provided is a replica. However, since Pannies are not that expensive, the ones you probably see in recent movies are probably real unless the prop. dept. guys are members of our rep. forums! Also product placement by the watch companies goes on, thus you will see IWC, Omega, etc. vying for screen time on closeups of actors checking the time on their watches.

Look, I'm sorry, but this is really [censored]. I posted this on timezone and I'm now only quoting it, so please dont take it personal

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You do not get it, now do you? I thought smart ppl frequent this forum. Seems not to be the case!

Counterfeit watches are produced in China or Thailand or elsewhere in the Far East. They are a Copyright infringement. You know what that means? It is ILLEGAL! It is illegal to purchase and/or import fake watches in (to) the USA, which this clearly is. It is not a propwatch or whatsoever, its a cheap asian DayDate Daytona copy that has NOTHING to do with Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc.

It is the same as if William Petersen would wear a fake Armani suit from Bangladesh or visibly play copied Xbox games on the show.

I'm sure that Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc. would have been more than HAPPY to provide a real watch for the movie, you know why? Because it would be free product placement!

The last thing Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc. would do is give them a obvious copy of the Rolex Daytona. The watch completely lacks of the Chrono functions of the real daytona and looks laughable. Why would Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc. authorize them to use a Fake, or better, even give them a Fake that has been made somewhere in the Far East without any authorization?

Government tells us, that Fake watches support Terrorism, so are we to believe, that Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc. sends them a fake watch of questionable source while trying to fight the fake watch industry so badly?

If you SERIOUSLY believe this, then I declare you mentaly challagned! And the same goes for all the other ones who think they are so smart with their "they use fake blood all the time" punchline. Fake Blood and Counterfeits arn't even the same ballpark!

Prop Guns and Fake Blood on the other hand are NO Counterfeits.

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Summing this up:

Replicas are ILLEGAL items, unlike other prop things (such as prop guns, fake blood etc.)

It is simply unlawful

You cant do real drugs in a movie either, because its illegal, too.

If you show a fake watch in a movie, you are presenting a product that is not real and of poor quality. I do not think, that ANY company would appreciate this.

[Goochenbrau]

Your arguement makes sense, but how do you explain an obvious fake in Kill Bill?

Note: I havent seen the movie, so I havent seen the watch.

[Pugwash]

Yesh... Like Jason Stratham's, Arnie's, or Stallone's. All self provided props

Ewan McGregor, Hugh Grant, Orlando Bloom ...

Hang on, that's almost all European actors.

[Pugwash]

You cant do real drugs in a movie either, because its illegal, too.

Yet people do.

Oh, and Miami Vice famously used a counterfeit Ferrari. This upset Ferrari enough for them to donate a Testarossa for the later episodes.

[docblackrock]

I'm sure that Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc. would have been more than HAPPY to provide a real watch for the movie, you know why? Because it would be free product placement!

Really??? I find that amusingly ironic, given Rolex's history re. NASA and the 007 film franchise production team.

Legend has it both times, those organisations called Rolex SA/USA, and both times were given short shrift by the clerk they reached and were either flatly refused or quoted full retail price. Arrogance and short-sightedness are both inherent qualities of Rolex as a company. Both organisations went elsewhere, and the rest is history. That's why I loved that line in Casino Royale, where Vesper asks Bond, "Rolex?' to which he replies curtly 'Omega'. Talk about rubbing salt in the wound!

[rag9fx]

Your arguement makes sense, but how do you explain an obvious fake in Kill Bill?

Note: I havent seen the movie, so I havent seen the watch.

You don't really see the watch except for a couple of seconds but in that time you could see the dial pretty clear... and if my memory serves me ... it did not have chronograph registers - it in fact had calendar registers ala cheap Canal street rep ... Shocking

Edited December 12, 2006 by rag9fx

[vaca22]

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Edited November 14, 2007 by vaca22

[Pugwash]

If anyone could find some kind of screenshot that would be great

I'll go make one. Anyone got a timestamp on the scene?

Quick edit: Found it, it's ripping. I'll have it in 2 mins.

[Pugwash]

It gets several seconds of screen time. Look at the hideousness!

(Actually, it looks quite good, apart from the wrong shaped indices, the sweeping seconds and the bloody obvious faux chronos.

Edit to change the large PNGs to small JPEGs

[slay]

I wonder which of our dealers supplied the watch to Miramax Films

[omni]

Look, I'm sorry, but this is really [censored]. I posted this on timezone and I'm now only quoting it, so please dont take it personal

I don't take it personal. But its obvious you've never worked in showbiz, , TV, Hollywood or been near a movie set, all things I have been in my careers and lifetime. I can tell you first hand, whatever is handy, unless they really want accuracy, will be used, including fake name branded copyrighted items. Your argument is full of holes.

[ahchard]

Well... it could be part of the plot if you think of it from another angle... cos Daytona's are pretty hard to get in real life so Uma's character might have just bought that watch of Canal St... and she was using the watch to time her pregnancy just by reading the big seconds hand... you don't need a chrono watch to time stuff... its not as if she pressed the start chrono button and then the stop chrono button (or did she?)...

[slay]

I don't take it personal. But its obvious you've never worked in showbiz, , TV, Hollywood or been near a movie set, all things I have been in my careers and lifetime. I can tell you first hand, whatever is handy, unless they really want accuracy, will be used, including fake name branded copyrighted items. Your argument is full of holes.

My argumentation is not full of holes, just because they do it, doesnt mean its Okay or right. They simply must not use fake stuff in movies. What kind of picture does that deliver to the audience? Especialy when its a Production such as Kill Bill that gets them almost a billion $.

And its really stupid to say "they use fake guns, so they can use fake watches, too". Fake guns and fake watches are not the same ballpark, using this argumentation is just plain stupidity.

[slay]

Well... it could be part of the plot if you think of it from another angle... cos Daytona's are pretty hard to get in real life so Uma's character might have just bought that watch of Canal St... and she was using the watch to time her pregnancy just by reading the big seconds hand... you don't need a chrono watch to time stuff... its not as if she pressed the start chrono button and then the stop chrono button (or did she?)...

That "could" be possible. It could also be that Uma Thurman had sex with bigfoot and was then abducted by aliens who gave her a fake rolex in exchange for "experiments"

If it would be part of the plot that you have a fake watch, it might be a differnt story (and even then you cant just use a copyright infringement from a questionable source), but fake watches and cheap stuff were never part of the plot. It was quite the opposite, Uma was pretty rich due to her contract killing!

[omni]

My argumentation is not full of holes, just because they do it, doesnt mean its Okay or right. They simply must not use fake stuff in movies. What kind of picture does that deliver to the audience?

So you are saying Kill Bill portrays real life? Hollywood is all based on fantasy, thats entertainment. If they make a western do you think they are using real colt revolvers or replicas? Orgasms are faked, shouldn't the actors paint a real picture to the viewing audience and really have real sex? Its all play acting, down to the costuming, furniture and jewelry.

[slay]

So you are saying Kill Bill portrays real life? Hollywood is all based on fantasy, thats entertainment. If they make a western do you think they are using real colt revolvers or replicas? Orgasms are faked, shouldn't the actors paint a real picture to the viewing audience and really have real sex? Its all play acting, down to the costuming, furniture and jewelry.

Are you still not getting the point? Are you making fun of me now, or do you REALLY not get the difference between a FAKE watch (violation of intelectual property) and a fake gun (not a real firearm, neccessary for not killing the actor)?

I somehow have the feeling you have either not read anything of what I have written so far, or you have not understand a single bit of what I have written.

[Pugwash]

Are you still not getting the point? Are you making fun of me now, or do you REALLY not get the difference between a FAKE watch (violation of intelectual property) and a fake gun (not a real firearm, neccessary for not killing the actor)?

This is also why prop watches are used, like prop cars. Sometimes the item is too expensive to use in an action scene. Car companies get upset by it, like in Miami Vice as I already mentioned.

What about fake magazines and paintings? It happens and sometimes it's too much hassle to clear the rights. Sometimes, the rights holders get involved and the items get 'fixed' for the DVD, like in Devil's Advocate with his chair.

Yes, it's illegal, yes it happens and yes, sometimes they get pulled up on it.

[archibald]

My guess is that Rolex knows about this and doesn't give a [censored]. Only us Ubergeeks even noticed and Rolex got a close up product placement in a blockbuster movie without having to pay a dime or even provide a watch. They'd never admit they knew, though, since not aggressively asserting your trademark with an infringement that visible is not sound legal strategy.

Slay, you're making a moral argument not a legal one. I doubt it has been decided in any court whether or not using a prop rep is illegal, etc. It's not illegal to own a rep, and certainly nobody was selling one in the film, so the question is whether or not it is illegal to film one. Even the likely argument that Miramax was using a fake rolex for commercial purpoes is shaky--they could have used a Timex and it wouldn't have changed a thing commercially.

[omni]

Slay:

I have respect for everyone's opinion, so no I am not laughing at you and not being insulting. Take a look in the mirror: I didn't take offense at your comment which seemed to say my opinion was "[censored]" or that in your timezone post started off alluding to everyone being non-intellect who disagreed, so I don't think you should take offense if I disagree with your opinion, which I did read, afterall. This is a forum, that is what a forum is for, to discuss. Intellectual property rights abound, it is illegal to make counterfeits, however, when using prop money in a movie or TV show, which I'm sure you have seen, why don't you get as incited by the illegality of them using counterfeit dollar bills, and what kind of picture that paints to an audience? What difference is that to a fake watch?