Doing gen datewheel and crystal mods on ARF 116610 Hulk -2 watchmakers claim there will be waterproofing issues after mod?

[ozdude]

Hi gents, been a while. I recently got two of the excellent ARF hulks off Angus at Puretime for myself and a good buddy. I also sourced the gen datewheels and crystals to do the recommended upgrade mods. So I had my buddy who's a watch fan like myself first take them to a good watchmaker/repairer. After a week this guy came back and started saying if the crystal mods were done the waterproofing would be compromised. I immediately said to my buddy, WTF, that just doesn't compute. So we then took them to another guy whom I know quite well and low and behold he quoted the same thing. We're about to hit up another watchmaker but I wanted to get some solid feedback in case we hit any further dramas.

 

Thanks

[ozdude]

I also meant to add, not that most familiar won't know but these current ARF's are 2824 movement version. I've also read some info regarding using the ARF seals as gens don't fit properly.

[ozdude]

Not much activity on this forum, really wish my RWI account was working. Meanwhile I've found yet more info on RWI which actually contradicts many comments in the actual watch thread on there. I am now on the path to sorting the crystal with no issue. However, I had another watchmaker who's handling the crystal comment the datewheel would not fit. I was somewhat perplexed given what had been stated on the RWI thread about the model many times. Turns out in another thread asking the specific question, the 2824 movement cannot have the gen datewheel swap in the same way the 3135 version can. The only option is to ad an inexpensive DWO to it to fix the font issue. So now I'm just waiting on that and we're on track to sort these ARF's finally.

Edited November 26, 2018 by ozdude

[Mike on a bike]

I'll move you to the Rolex section guys usually ask Rolex questions there . Yes I know you are in the proper section for your question but that's the way it is.

[ozdude]

1 hour ago, ozdude said:

Not much activity on this forum, really wish my RWI account was working. Meanwhile I've found yet more info on RWI which actually contradicts many comments in the actual watch thread on there. I am now on the path to sorting the crystal with no issue. However, I had another watchmaker who's handling the crystal comment the datewheel would not fit. I was somewhat perplexed given what had been stated on the RWI thread about the model many times. Turns out in another thread asking the specific question, the 2824 movement cannot have the gen datewheel swap in the same way the 3135 version can. The only option is to ad an inexpensive DWO to it to fix the font issue. So now I'm just waiting on that and we're on track to sort these ARF's finally.

Thanks for that. I was actually looking for a dedicated thread much like the one on RWI but none seems to exist for this model here, that's where I would have asked it first off. Otherwise I took the punt in this section which I quickly gathered like some parts of various forums just isn't patronised enough. As it is my own piecing together of info seems to have answered all of the queries I had and given me enough to go on with watchmakers.

[hologramet]

Of course you can't add a 3135 date disc on a 2824?

 

Have you looked at the movements from dial side? 🙃

 

1) Construction is VERY different

2) ETA is about 3mm closer to the dial age.

[ozdude]

22 hours ago, hologramet said:

Of course you can't add a 3135 date disc on a 2824?

 

Have you looked at the movements from dial side? 🙃

 

1) Construction is VERY different

2) ETA is about 3mm closer to the dial age.

Hate to come straight back at you this, but after just posting on RWI yesterday finally, I had a member come back pretty quickly and say it was possible to mod the datewheel and pointed to threads (non-specifically) where it was discussed: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/6714456-arf-116610-904l-2824/page197

 

I did find this post on another thread on RWI as well claiming gen datewheel is doable:

 

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/7083198-arf-submariner-2824-ss904-question-on-date-wheel?p=7241017#post7241017

 

I'll also ad that even though I have been a rep enthusiast for like 12 years and enjoy reps a lot but I don't get to study movements that closely externally or otherwise -I briefly had noob V9 sub but didn't get to do such a comparison as I didn't ever have them at same time.. In a similar vein, if I asked you to go over to AVSforum and get into a discussion with me on HDR Tonemapping using UHD players vs V.P.'s you'd probably give me a strange look lol...

[hologramet]

16 minutes ago, ozdude said:

Hate to come straight back at you this, but after just posting on RWI yesterday finally, I had a member come back pretty quickly and say it was possible to mod the datewheel and pointed to threads (non-specifically) where it was discussed: https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/6714456-arf-116610-904l-2824/page197

 

I did find this post on another thread on RWI as well claiming gen datewheel is doable:

 

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/7083198-arf-submariner-2824-ss904-question-on-date-wheel?p=7241017#post7241017

 

I'll also ad that even though I have been a rep enthusiast for like 12 years and enjoy reps a lot but I don't get to study movements that closely externally or otherwise -I briefly had noob V9 sub but didn't get to do such a comparison as I didn't ever have them at same time.. In a similar vein, if I asked you to go over to AVSforum and get into a discussion with me on HDR Tonemapping using UHD players vs V.P.'s you'd probably give me a strange look lol...

 

Well of course you can create a DWO from a genuine date disc.

 

But maybe it's better try and find a Noob v6 DWO or TC v4 DWO.

 

That is the whole point of date wheel overlay.. To widen the numbers, and have them aligned closer to the center.

 

Why butcher a perfectly good date disc, just use a SH3135. Interplacable w/ movement-ringed 2824-2.

 

 

[automatico]

"Not much activity on this forum..."

 

Most of us are busy advising world leaders. 

Or watching porn.

 

 

"Of course you can't add a 3135 date disc on a 2824?"

"1) Construction is VERY different."

"2) ETA is about 3mm closer to the dial age."

 

All True.

Here is why:

 

When someone says a 3135 date wheel will fit an Eta they usually mean they both are made to turn in the same direction.  Genuine 15xx and 3035 rlx dw turn the wrong way to be used on an Eta. 

A 3135 dw is a whole lot different from an Eta 28xx dw as far as being a direct swap.  A genuine spec 3135 dw can be used as an overlay on a 2836 but you will probably need to trim the teeth inside the 3135 dw.

 

There is not as much room on a 2824 between the top plate and dial as on a 2836 and this is why most watches that come with a dwo use a 2836.  The date also flips immediately on a 2836 same as on a genuine watch.  Another thing is the 2836 uses a taller canon pinion, hour wheel, and center sweep second post than a 2824 and this gives more room between the dial and hands.

 

As for 3135 clones, they are another animal all together compared to any Eta.  I have never worked on a 3135 clone.  

 

"But maybe it's better try and find a Noob v6 DWO or TC v4 DWO."

 

Very good advice.

[ozdude]

^^ Thanks for the advice there. All of a sudden and somewhat ironically soon as I get a post going on RWI, the thread here starts going finally 😆. So it's very much sounding and contrary to many of the all too casual comments over on RWI, it's a pretty stupid idea to try to mod the 3135 gen datewheel to fit the 2824 rep movement. So I guess next question is anyone have an opinion on this DWO I ordered last week? Will it do the trick or be a waste of in terms of an improvement?:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WHITE-DATE-DISC-WHEEL-OVERLAY-OPEN-6-9-FOR-ETA2836-DG2813-MIYOTA-FIT-3135-ROLEX/352379961595?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

One last debate that's sparked back up is reusing the ARF gasket vs a gen one when fitting the gen crystal. I had read last week that the gen just wont fit the arf case properly. But just now I get a comment from someone contradicting this and saying to use the gen gasket:

 

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/6714456-arf-116610-904l-2824?p=7305716#post7305716

 

For what was talked up over on RWI as the two nice mods to do for this model, it's turning out to be a lot more of an s-fight than I'd expected...

Edited December 4, 2018 by ozdude