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  1. Minnie Mouse! Make that Thinnie Mouse! It is 29.6mm thick and weighs 339 grams with a very short bracelet. A friend bought thus thing at a pawn shop 'needing a battery'. He brought to me for a new battery, I looked it over and it needed a coil, circuit board, negative battery contact, battery insulator, case back gasket, and a battery (Harley Ronda GMT mvt with adjustable 24H hand). Someone tried to change the batt and ran a screwdriver through the coil, then took the top cover plate off, ruined the circuit board somehow, folded up the batt contact, lost the batt insulator, and stuck it back together. Invicta AD maybe. I asked if he wanted it fixed and he said: "How much?" I said: "Fifteen dollars, cash or trade." (I am famous for overpriced repairs) He said: "It's yours." I fixed it.
  2. "Some of the equipment to make these high quality elaborate replicas can be as expensive as those used. by genuine production factories themselves!" My (educated) guess is some of the replica cases/bracelets/dials etc. are made in the same facilities that make cases/bracelets/dials etc. for genuine brands and the machines are programmed to make extremely accurate replicas during late hours etc. Example...Swatch and many other swiss brands have cases/dials/bracelets etc. made in China, I remember about ten years ago when eBay was flooded with steel 'Tissot' quartz chronographs, new with B/P for about one third of the genuine watch price. The quick and easy way to tell the replica from a genuine watch was the price. I had one, ETA movement and all, it even had a 'Tissot' owner's manual and 'History Book' with it. Here is a genuine example in case anyone sees one for sale... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJwoiiu0kYE There was more than one grade of these replica chronos, mine must have been from the top of the heap. China, Taiwan, Vietnam and a few other countries have factories that can make any of the watch cases etc. as accurate to genuine as the guy paying for them wants them to be. Take the USA for example: No doubt a first class job shop could duplicate a rolex case to 100% perfection. Q...Why has it not been done on a large scale, that we know of? A...Because labor here is many times higher than China/Taiwan etc. so it is not worthwhile. It is also more risky because RUSA would chase them down one way or another as soon as word got out. No one can keep a good secret. RWC does not have much clout in China/Taiwan/Vnam. This brings me back to the genuine rolex replacement '444' cases...a detailed Yuki 5512-5513 case (for example) from a few years ago with a '444' serial number would more than likely pass for genuine. I saw a few at a watch show with genuine movements, case tubes/crowns/dials/hands and no doubt they would pass as genuine. Q...How do I know they were not genuine? A...I knew the guy who had them. I used a Yuki case for an example because other than a few small details, they are the spittin' image of a '444' case.
  3. "This was my first self done dial and after spoiling three (wrong tools and lume mix) this one showed me the way of mixing UV resin and therefore control volume and shape with torch." I had a dial refinished as a California dial about 15 years ago and they charged $180 back then because of the lume hassles. Regular dials were $78 at the time. "I had sent you a Christmas gift." Got it. Thanks! The refinished Cal Dial...
  4. "Mine has also the same case as yours but with screw down crown." Your watches are super nice! I really like the California dial. The 2782 in my BB has the calendar spacer and all calendar works removed as it originally came with quick set date. These watches might be small by today's standards but they are great everyday watches for that reason. "Wish I could source more of these 5015 cases!" For a while after I got mine, I would see one for sale now and then, but none were claimed to be genuine. Twenty years later they have become rare! and genuine!, even when sporting an ETA movement with a rlx sticker on the rotor. The 'BB' on eBay was the first one I have seen in a few years. No way I would pay $1331USD for one though. Ha! From the Ranfft website: 21600 A/h: 2750 / 2770, 2776: no date 2752 / 2772: date 2753 / 2773: date, precision regulator 2758 / 2778: day, date 2759 / 2779: day, date, precision regulator 2761 / 2781: quick set date, high 2762 / 2782: quick set date 2763 / 2783: quick set date 2763-F6 / 2783-F6: quick set date, digital 2768 / 2788: day, quick set date 2769 / 2789: quick set day and date 2769-1 / 2789-1: quick set day and date, double-language 28800 A/h: 2751 / 2771: no date 2754 / 2774: date 2760 / 2780: day, date 2764 / 2784: quick set date - / 2790 : quick set day and date - / 2790-1: quick set day and date, double-language - / 2791: quick set date, high
  5. I do not blame you at all. It is the one and only reason why I staggered into replicas and Frankensteins. Now Bulova, one of my favorite brands, is refusing to sell parts. I do not know if it is Citizen policy or Bulova USA policy, and do not know if the Citizen brand sells parts in the USA or not. I have quite a few vintage Bulova watches and parts for them are still relatively easy to find on the 'net or from old school watch shops/traders, but their modern watch parts policy is now: 'NPFY'. I say to modern Bulova...No partee 4 mee = No Bulawatchee 4 mee = No Monee 4 you. FU2. As for rlx... I am slowly getting all rlx watches running or at least in one piece, then I will sell them all. Next...sell all the cases, dials, bracelets etc. Last...sell all movement parts to someone in the repair trade or a supply house. Have not decided about 2 or 3 F-steins with genuine movements, probably part them out. I understand why various brands will not sell parts to just anyone, but my guess is the real reason behind it all is to force owners to send their watches to 'factory authorized repair facilities' for high $$, slow, and sometimes shoddy service. A monopoly in other words. Omega...gave up on them in 1997. Bought a few low $$ bargains since then. Vintage Val etc powered chronos...Adios at the same time. Now have one vintage two register chrono and a few Val/ETA 7750 watches, do not wear them. Bulova Accutrons...same fate, same point in time but have accumulated a few bargains since then. I am Not an 'Accutron Accumulator' by any means.
  6. Family photo... The one on the left is in the earlier post. The dials on the other two have a yellowish 'aged' tint. 'Super Oyster' crown... It does not look as bad as the close-up and is not a screw down type. The watch posted previously has been worn a few weeks total, the last time in late 2012. The other two have not been worn at all. I set aside two ETA 2789 to go in them, now needing c/o no doubt. That depends on if I can find them, did not run across them when looking for the watches.
  7. "Do your other two have the same dial and hands as the one you pictured here?" Yes, they are all alike except the other two have BB type crowns. I'll see if I can find them later and post a pic. "Ever consider parting with one?" Not yet, the movements are pretty rough and do not run. If I decide to sell one, I'll contact you. "I took a look at what else he is selling and he has this one listed for 1900.00." That thing is ugly as a mud fence. How do they get by with it? No complaints probably. I have enough watchjunk to stick a half dozen F-steins together but I would end up eating turnips three times a day in a Ukrainian jail if I tried to sell one on fleabay.
  8. "So what's your theory on the same SN?" Since all three of my 'BB' watches have the same reference and serial numbers, I would guess most or all of the replicas made by the same outfit that made mine will have the same numbers. Probably/maybe. I have seen a few replicas with engine turned bezels but do not know what the numbers were. Afaik these watches are all about 20 years old and I have not seen any new watches like this offered for sale in a long time. My other two are still nos from the same order as the one in my pics. The truth is these cases are very well made and many probably ended up with fresh ETAs or as Frankensteins. The dials on the examples I have seen have the SCOC blurb and originals usually have 'Officially Certified Chronometer', 'Chronometer', or no brag line at all on the dials. All the BB cases I have seen had 'snap in' crystals and were not clamped on the case by a removable bezel like later models, mine included. I had a nice genuine BB a while back needing some autowind parts and I traded it for a super fine Hamilton 992B and some other watch stuff. The aw assemblies on these things are junk imho. Back when BBs were Hot, I ran into one Frankenstein BB with a genuine case, dial, etc. and it had the original 'hubcap' over the back of the movement with a genuine BB rotor. The catch was it had a Bulova automatic movement hidden under the hubcap with a looong winding rotor axle sticking through the hubcap with the BB rotor mounted on it. It took a lot of time and botching skill for someone to do all of that. It's a good story but I can't tell it because there is a famous/infamous watch guy involved and dumbo me got in the middle of it, trying to help.
  9. How Rare? So Rare that I only have three (3) of them. Three what? Three like this... RARE GENTS 1947 ROLEX OYSTER PERPETUAL BUBBLE BACK VINTAGE ETA MOVEMNT, WITH BOX | eBay Edit: 11-22-22 Someone might get/is going to get skinned. It is still up 11-19-22 for $1085USD at 1225PM EST with 32 bids. Item # 204155178414 SOLD! $1331.76!!! 38 bids on 11-20-22 Say what? Here is one, you'll have to take my word on the other two because I don't want to dig them out. Mine has a genuine 530 crown instead of a replica BB type (I installed a new case tube and swapped the rep crown out)... Same reference number... Same serial number. What are the chances of that? Pretty good...all of mine have the same number. They had rough ETA 27xx mvts in them when I bought the watches on Yahoo! auctions about 20 years ago. I put a fresh c/o ETA 2782 in this one... It is a good runner but it has been put up for so long it probably needs another c/o. These guys spotted it too... Is this what we've come to? - Rolex Forums - Rolex Watch Forum Maybe one of them will contact eBay.
  10. A Disney Snap! watch. This was for a Kid but the Kid turned it down. Now it's mine, all mine. I drilled lug holes in the case and put a leather strap on it. The time is nine - two plus a notch, four.
  11. "So, as Rolex continues to tighten their grip on parts & watches, making it more & more difficult for buyers to buy while pumping up prices beyond the reach of even the mere wealthy, I could see how rep makers could end up pulling the rug right out from under them." Regarding 'No Parts For You!' Since RWC cut parts off to parts supply houses and shut down almost all non AD parts accounts, I have seen a whole lot of high quality aftmkt movement parts become available. The majority of rlx watches I work on have 1530 base movements and just about all train wheels, springs, jewels, reversers, setting parts etc. are available for them now. You can't get aftmkt plates, bridges, or escapement parts (yet) but they are rarely needed. I was really surprised when reversers became available, but they are pricey and I don't need them anyway because I still have a few from back when I could get parts. On top of that, I rarely wear a rolex watch, real or imagined. I wore the 'shortcut 1655' more than I have worn a rolex watch since the 1970s and 1980s...back when tutones were in style. I took the 'SC 1655' apart a few days after Halloween so it's Frankenstein watch history now. Lately, I've been going First Class wearing a Disney Snap! watch with a clear plastic case after drilling lug holes in the case and putting a leather strap on it. It was for a friend's Kid but the Kid turned it down. Kids are Snobby nowadays. The Snap! is about 13 posts down. Wristies - thread consolidation? - Page 244 - General Discussion - RWG
  12. "On a related subject -- have you had any experience working the new Asian 4130 clone movements? If so, what is your impression of them?" I have never seen one except in pictures but from what I have read they are pretty good movements. It seems the overall execution is very good but they took a few shortcuts and quality control is not up to par as usual. The flat hairspring escapement shortcut is Ok except it is a giveaway to being a replica at a glance along with a few other things, but this would not bother me at all. If the movement factories took a bit more care with cleanliness/assembly and offered repair parts through a reliable source, they would be an all-around success imho. I doubt RWC would look at it this way though. Ha! Otoh...if someone wants a 'Daytona!' I do not blame them for buying a replica with all the RWC and AD craziness...No Parts! to 'outsiders' etc, and their 'Esteemed Dealers' turning into outright robber barons often demanding suckers customers to buy 1 or 2 other high $$ items to 'qualify' for a hard to get model. Because of all this, it is easy to see why the rolex replica business is booming. As to the hand fix, it is fine as long as it works and looks good from the top side. I've pulled the tubes out of quite a few second hands when removing H, M, and SS hands all at once with a hand puller so I know how it goes. The opposite to shrinking hand tubes...I make hand hole sizing 'broaches' out of needles from a common assortment by reducing the diameter first on a Dremel with a diamond wheel, then file three flats on them by running them over a diamond knife sharpening hone until the size is what is needed. It's mostly trial and error but it is low $$ and easy to do. I make handles for them out of 1/4 inch wooden dowel stock from Ho' Depot etc.
  13. Thanks for the link! "Chronograph hands, even gens (especially, after repeated r&rs), are notorious for having this problem (loose hands on their tubes) & I broke 1 of them while attempting to tighten the joint with my staking tool." I tighten hand tubes using 'WW' lathe collets. 1...Find the appropriate collet (one that the hand tube slips into with little friction). 2...Put the collet in the lathe and very lightly tighten the drawbar to squeeze the tube down. 3...Remove the hand from the collet and try it on the watch, repeat if needed. A small squeeze goes a long way so go lightly. If you do not have a WW lathe and collets, ask around to find a watch repair or watch hobby guy who has one. Since you are not running the lathe, most of them should let you squeeze hand tubes down in their lathe. My WW lathe is an old C&E Marshall Watch-Craft model that I bought for $75 years ago and the collets were donations from watch friends. The lathe is so old the power cord is a cloth covered two strand twisted wire. Sometimes you can run into an old WW lathe at a yard sale or flea market for very little $$. It's the collets they rob you on.
  14. "I just finished overhauling my 2000-ish vintage Daytona after 20 years of trouble-free service." F333 Please let us know what movement, case etc. you started out with, or maybe post a link to an earlier post about it. I can't remember it, as usual...assuming I am on the right forum. Ha!
  15. They lied and got caught. Panerai In-House Movements – A PAM Of Worms – Vintage Panerai and other iconic timepieces under the loupe at Perezcope
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