jomama Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I am considering ordering ordering one of these from Josh. I will have it waterproofed by him as I plan on wearing swimming etc. ( I live in Scottsdale so we live in the pool most of the year). Both have good points and bad. Any help out there to help decision?? SMP Good Great size (can wear with suit as Chrono is thicker and too sporty) Great movement ETA "bond" watch Bad Pearl not as good as Chrono not as flashy.. SMP Chrono Good Better pearl great rep compared to gen Bad Movement "shakey" Too thick to waer as dress watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I have the SMP chrono with aligned bezel, and it is one of my favourite watches. It is also one of the most accurate available, its an incredible piece! The chrono gets my vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrgod Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I have both, and must say that I prefer the regular SMP. See the link to my review, where I compare those two, in my signature. The regular should also be easier to waterproof since the chrono has two additional holes in the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff g Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Waterproof reps? That is a new concept for me. Like EL always says: 'Good for 50 yard dash in the rain' Seiko makes good cheap waterproof watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I am holding out for the updated SMP. Just purchased a SMP GMT from Andrew to tide me over, for $118 it's a great value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 chrgod: I read your review and comparison and is where I picked up much of my knowledge about these watches. Thanks! I am leaning toward SMP but Pearl is bugging me. B16a2: Did you get your bezel good out of box or have to do mod. If good from dealer who was dealer? Jeff g: Appreciate your caution but I think your concerns are dated. They make these pretty good now and feel some are waterproof out of box. I have had LV reps in pools with no mods or "waterproofing" with no problems. 5 years ago I might not consider. Besides, not that much money is it? Smalls: Do you know something I don't? Is there an updated SMP due. Only adjustment I can see them doing is bezel pearl alignment and pearl itself. Thanks all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dak244 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I am considering ordering ordering one of these from Josh. I will have it waterproofed by him as I plan on wearing swimming etc. ( I live in Scottsdale so we live in the pool most of the year). Just a little forewarning.... If you look at the waterproofing service on Josh's site it says the watch will "withstand pressue testing of 5 atm.. 50 meters..." If you then go onto Wikopedia and read there, it says "A watch rated 50 Meters is expected to survive immersion without pressure such as being worn while washing up dishes." SO with that being said, I would be EXTREMELY careful about wearing your watch swimming if its a watch you care about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Ask yourself this question: "Will I actually use the chrono functions?" If you wouldn't actually use them, go with the SMP. If you would, go for the chrono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Just a little forewarning.... If you look at the waterproofing service on Josh's site it says the watch will "withstand pressue testing of 5 atm.. 50 meters..." If you then go onto Wikopedia and read there, it says "A watch rated 50 Meters is expected to survive immersion without pressure such as being worn while washing up dishes." SO with that being said, I would be EXTREMELY careful about wearing your watch swimming if its a watch you care about... When I was younger, I had several Casios that were rated 50 meters, and swam in them weekly. I never once had a problem with one leaking. I think the wikipedia is being a tad conservative. If I remember, the instruction manuals rated a 50 m watch as suitable for light splashes, dish washing, swimming and snorkling, but not for high diving or scuba diving. Given those were warranty instructions, (thus legally enforceable if the watch was to leak) I'd trust those over the wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Guys: I know the bezel alignment has been an issue on the Omega's. I went to Omega's website and pulled their picture of the SMP GMT and was shocked to find what I see as a misaligned bezel. http://www.omegawatches.com/index.php?id=2...&no_cache=1 I am also considering the SMP GMT but don't trust accuracy of display caseback (if anyone has insights as to how accurate Josh's caseback is on his GMT I would appreciate it). Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 When I say update, I mean the '07 SMP with seamaster written in red. Here's a link to pic of gen http://www.omegawatches.com/index.php?id=2...&no_cache=1 Not sure if or when it's coming out, but hopefully it's in the pipeline (seems to be a lot of interest for it). I ordered the SMP GMT from Andrew for the time being. It's the Asian with the wrong caseback, but I don't mind, because it's not the accurate movement anyways and the Asian looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SportsterRider Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I had both for a short time. To me, the Chrono was a MUCH better looking rep. The dial was way better, and the case is much closer to gen than the regular SMP rep. Overall, it's just a much better looking watch. I ended up giving the SMP to my brother and the Chrono to my dad as I bought a gen 2250.50. All that said, you can't really go wrong with either model. SR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section8 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 what part of the bezel is mis-aligned? is the insert not aligned with the faceting? I haven't looked into this issue to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 B16a2: Did you get your bezel good out of box or have to do mod. If good from dealer who was dealer?I got mine from TTK and he kindly aligns the bezels before shipping them, a great dealer! Ask yourself this question: "Will I actually use the chrono functions?" If you wouldn't actually use them, go with the SMP. If you would, go for the chrono Good point! However, I never use the chrono functions on any of my watches, but the subdials add a different look to this watch over the standard one which I think makes it look better. That's just my view of the watch. Contrary to this, I prefer the standard Planet Ocean to the chrono version. Personal taste at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 what part of the bezel is mis-aligned? is the insert not aligned with the faceting? I haven't looked into this issue to know. If you look at the bezel here you can see that the bezel has flat, and peaked parts on the outter part of the bezel. Notice at the 3, 6, 9 and 12 o'clock position, it is flat.. Now similarly at the same points notice here that it has a peak instead (this is the correct alignment for the Omega Seamaster.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollux1 Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 The only thing putting me off buying both the smp in both chrono and non chrono is the screws instead of pins in the bracelet, hopefully there might be an update seeing as the PO has the correct bracelet. The rest of the faults i could live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Great point on the pins vs. screws. But unlike the Rolex subs, I don't think the pins or screws are that noticable....am I wrong? Anyone....Beuler....Bueler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 You really don't notice the screws. The screws are only attaching the case to the bracelet, and then further around where the adjustment links can be removed, and these ones you hardly see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjrodr Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 As many say a pic is better than words. So my choice was, i did the bezel alignment with a simple let it stay in the sun 10 minutes then i moved it. a little strength does the job plain simple. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I am leaning towards the SMP. I just think the Chrono is too thick and rides too hign in the wrist thus making it problomatic when wearing with cuffed shirts etc. Great pic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 If you're wanting it to fit under a cuff, its best to go for the SMP. The chrono is a thick watch, and it is very hesistant to stay under a shirt cuff. I only wear mine casually, as it it a bit too big to wear with a shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baltic Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I would go with the SMP, movement is more reliable, easier to waterproof. I used to have one, it's a great watch. As far as the screws in the bracelet it just means you can adjust it yourself and who on earth is going to be asking you about the pins v screws in your bracelet!? Well apart from if you meet someone from this board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Looks like that does it boys. Its the SMP for me. Now I have to decide which dealer. Any insights? The only issue I will have a hard time resolving is the pearl. I can fix the bezel alignment pretty easy. If someone thinks one dealer has a better SMP over another, please chime in. Otherwise it will probaby be Josh for me as I think they are all from the same factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireman_Fred Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 You really don't notice the screws. The screws are only attaching the case to the bracelet, and then further around where the adjustment links can be removed, and these ones you hardly see. I have an SMP Chrono and a 2006 007 Special Edition. Both have screws instead of pins and on both, I've had pins unscrew themselves (while I've been wearing them), luckily I've spotted them before they fell out completely! Has anyone else had this problem and is there any way of preventing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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