Watchmeister Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 On the 2893 and dealers, they should all be the same. As I recall, the 2893's came out of the same factory. The very first batch of GMT's with ribbed dial had hand clearance issues. For whatever reason, the Power Reserves have remained more expensive than the GMT's. On the PR's, plain black dial goes with SS finish. Hobnail dial belongs with PVD case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 (edited) On the 2893 and dealers, they should all be the same. As I recall, the 2893's came out of the same factory. The very first batch of GMT's with ribbed dial had hand clearance issues. For whatever reason, the Power Reserves have remained more expensive than the GMT's. On the PR's, plain black dial goes with SS finish. Hobnail dial belongs with PVD case. The 027 and 028 reps look better than the genuine watches The genuine has Panerai Automatic across the centre of the dial, while the rep has Panerai at the top, and automatic under the power reserve, as well as the colours of the numbers of the reserve dial. I'm going to have to find out how the PVD is on reps... from what I understand it's not true PVD. The hobnail dial is nice Edited April 9, 2006 by Chronus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Chronus, kruzer00 and I are actually quite experienced about PVD and PR. The genuine you refer to, probably never existed. Cfr: http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html The 2893 is probably the best movement one can get (The Zigmeister said ). And, to me, it gives its best on PR. Both kruzer00 and I got our 028a models, and I can testimony that it is really great. We both are waiting for real PVD treatment by palpatine. With real PVD, a new crown, a new sapphire cyclops (incoming), AR treatment, and relume (that finepics already magistrally performed on my watch), I think it is going to be undistinguishable from the gen (you figure, it even has an egraved rotor under a non-see-trough caseback!). 027a is the same, and you don't even have to bother with a PVD coating. But sure, that hobnail dial on the 028 is a completely different thing... About 'PVD' on replicas. Noone knows for sure what it actually is. I think it is black-oxide. Someone argued it is anodyzed, but I feel it unlikely as it would imply that the case is made of aluminium and I don't think so. This 'rep' PVD is darker and shinier than the real thing. Anyway, it makes the case more scratch-resistant, even if to a lesser extent than real PVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Pitt Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 The 2893 PR is a great watch, I have one with hobnail dial. I had it PVD'd and put on a genuine set of panerai hands with the leaf PR hand instead of the silver arrow. I got my PVD done by IWW... To this day it is still one of my favorite watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Chronus, kruzer00 and I are actually quite experienced about PVD and PR. The genuine you refer to, probably never existed. Cfr: http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/powerres.html The 2893 is probably the best movement one can get (The Zigmeister said ). And, to me, it gives its best on PR. Both kruzer00 and I got our 028a models, and I can testimony that it is really great. We both are waiting for real PVD treatment by palpatine. With real PVD, a new crown, a new sapphire cyclops (incoming), AR treatment, and relume (that finepics already magistrally performed on my watch), I think it is going to be undistinguishable from the gen (you figure, it even has an egraved rotor under a non-see-trough caseback!). 027a is the same, and you don't even have to bother with a PVD coating. But sure, that hobnail dial on the 028 is a completely different thing... About 'PVD' on replicas. Noone knows for sure what it actually is. I think it is black-oxide. Someone argued it is anodyzed, but I feel it unlikely as it would imply that the case is made of aluminium and I don't think so. This 'rep' PVD is darker and shinier than the real thing. Anyway, it makes the case more scratch-resistant, even if to a lesser extent than real PVD. I'll need some more info on this one... looks good though! how much is it to get it PVD'd? I'll be back later tonight after playing 5-a-side soccer. I saw jos' pictures and the engraved rotor has a spelling mistake - Officine is spelled wrongly. Who did you get yours from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Humm i almost always make a big profit when i sale my reps then again i sell them domestic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the barst Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 (edited) I just ordered the last 63 from EL and am looking to get some things fixed ASAP because this will be my daily queen. Questions.. 1. Is the crystal interchangeable with other PAM models? 2. If it is, then where can I get a proper AR sapphire crystal? 3. Also Where can I get a good cyclops for it? 4. Are the GMT numbers lumed? If they are, theyalong with the stips on the arms may be a very difficult relume even for the zig master Edited April 22, 2006 by the barst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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