best place to get calibre 1570 movement?

[yodaddynukka]

hi where can i find the best price for a 1570 movement? how much is a good price to pay for a good condition movement? thanks!

[Guest Obeyan]

hi where can i find the best price for a 1570 movement? how much is a good price to pay for a good condition movement? thanks!

check with a few of the regulars on TZ- Ponycar, Ford Smith (the watch garage). I've bought from Jared (Ponycar) and I know he can get movements. Wholesale on a 1570 is $700 to $800ish- you should be very careful if you find one much less. Expect to pay $1,200 from a retailer.

[eunomians]

They ain't easy to get anymore. Minimum $800 if you are lucky. These days probably more. You will need to add in an extra couple hundred dollars for service, too.

[thewightstuff]

timezone should turn up some from reasonabley respectable sources. id say you are looking around the $1k mark for sure. anything for much less and you are looking at the potential for expensive headaches id say.

as euno said too, you will need to get it fully serviced, its about $250..ish for this.

Edited April 24, 2007 by thewightstuff

[yodaddynukka]

thanks, i seen some on the 'bay for 1150-1350 and thought it was a little too expensive. hopefully TZ has some around.

[alligoat]

Keep watching the bay. $900-1000 is a typical range. I also assume you're looking for a 1575 movt w/ the date. A straight 1570 would be slightly less. I also think the TZ suggestion is a good one. And I agree w/ allowing a couple hundred for servicing. Those movts are 30 years old!

[MechWatch]

The 1575 movement are in Oyster Pepertual Date, ref 1500 and others. They go for arond $1,000, + or -. Since the 1500 are 34mm small watches, they don't fetch too much more. I think that the reason there are always 1500 watch cases on ebay is people taking the movement and using them in 1680, 1675, etc.

[eunomians]

The 1575 movement are in Oyster Pepertual Date, ref 1500 and others. They go for arond $1,000, + or -. Since the 1500 are 34mm small watches, they don't fetch too much more. I think that the reason there are always 1500 watch cases on ebay is people taking the movement and using them in 1680, 1675, etc.

1575 is only for references 1675 & 1655, not for reference 1500 (or any other reference).

1575 is the GMT version of 1570.

1565 is also the GMT version of 1560. 1565 is suitable only for ref. 1675 and was being phased out by early 1964 (replaced by, u guessed it, a faster BPH 1575).

[MechWatch]

1575 is only for references 1675 & 1655, not for reference 1500 (or any other reference).

1575 is the GMT version of 1570.

1565 is also the GMT version of 1560. 1565 is suitable only for ref. 1675 and was being phased out by early 1964 (replaced by, u guessed it, a faster BPH 1575).

My gen 1500 Oyster Perpetual Date, purchased in 1967, contains a 1575 movement.

Also data from: http://www.oysterworld.de/1/index.htm

Lists Caliber 1575 used in:

1575 19800 1965 Date, 24h 1500, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1505, 1506, 1507, 1508, 1509, 1510, 1511, 1512, 1513, 1514, 1530, 1550, 1600, 1601, 1602, 1603, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1611, 1625, 1630, 1655, 1665, 1675, 1680

For: OP Date, Datejust, Sea-Dweller, GMT, Explorer II, Submariner (vintage only)

[eunomians]

My gen 1500 Oyster Perpetual Date, purchased in 1967, contains a 1575 movement.

Also data from: http://www.oysterworld.de/1/index.htm

Lists Caliber 1575 used in:

1575 19800 1965 Date, 24h 1500, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1505, 1506, 1507, 1508, 1509, 1510, 1511, 1512, 1513, 1514, 1530, 1550, 1600, 1601, 1602, 1603, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1611, 1625, 1630, 1655, 1665, 1675, 1680

For: OP Date, Datejust, Sea-Dweller, GMT, Explorer II, Submariner (vintage only)

Never seen nor heard of any other reference aside from 1675 and 1655 that uses 1575. My 1675 was purchased new, ironically, the same year as you (1967).

Oysterworld is incorrect (ask Mr. Dowling about the iterations of 1570 + 1575).

You must keep in mind that Rolex might've used some leftover 1575 movements for the references mentioned at Oysterword.de but 1575 is not the 99% of the time correct movement for the stated reference models. Oysterworld has compiled all references that have been 'spotted' using the said movements. This has been discussed many times on VRF, Turf and T; and the data remains inconclusive to this day (expections to the rule, so to speak).

The fact that your watch has 1575 is extremely unusual (but wholly possible). The fact that my 1675 (serial dated to IV '67) has a small GMT hand but is not a pointed guard 1675 is also just as unusual.

To add to the confusion, most 1575 movements are marked "1570", not "1575" (the same goes for 1560 & 1565 movements).

So, for general reference purposes, it's best to accept the general rule of thumb with Rolex. And, to add to this, we must also accept that Rolex broke these rules as they saw fit: Parts caches were used up as they were found. That is why you see some 5513 with 1530 movements instead of 1520, or a late 60s 1675 with early 60s small GMT hand, etc...

Cheers

[eunomians]

Here's a small pic of my good ol' 1565 movement from a circa '63 pointed guard 1675.

Notice that it is marked 1560, not 1565.

Here's the watch with the "1560" 1565 movement:

Here's my '67 1675 with small GMT hand that it's technically 'not' supposed to have:

[chrgod]

Interesting information.. and a very nice vintage GMT-Masters. One of the few vintage Rolexes that are still just affordable.

I learn something every day on this forum.

[Logan]

Consider buying a whole watch, then selling the parts.. You can find whole oyster date and similar models pretty cheaply second hand, away from ebay that is. Strip out the movement, then sell the case, crown, hands etc here or on ebay. You might be surprised how much you may get for them

[alligoat]

Like MechWatch, my 1500 Date from 1966-8 era has a 1575 movement in it (marked 1570, of course) and I was under the impression that this was the standard movement for the 1500 Date.

But yesterday, moelarrycu had a 1520 movt on the bay w/ a Date dial- but I would assume it's a franken deal because the 1520 wasn't chronometer rated as I recall.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...p;rd=1&rd=1

[eunomians]

Like MechWatch, my 1500 Date from 1966-8 era has a 1575 movement in it (marked 1570, of course) and I was under the impression that this was the standard movement for the 1500 Date.

But yesterday, moelarrycu had a 1520 movt on the bay w/ a Date dial- but I would assume it's a franken deal because the 1520 wasn't chronometer rated as I recall.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...p;rd=1&rd=1

While it is true that 1520 was not chronometer-rated, it has found itself occasionally in COSC-dialed watches due to Dr. Frankenstein, not Rolex.

Once again, anything is possible but nothing is 100% true