I am about to buy this PAM164. Is it gen, help?

[gianton]

I got a good offer for a second hand PAM164 at

Edited January 12, 2008 by gianton

[lello]

It looks gen to me.

Also the strap it's gen.

I wouldn't have any doubts.

Just ask a few close up pics, to make sure it doesn't have scratches, but for the rest it seams a good deal at all.

Edited January 12, 2008 by lello

[gianton]

Thanks for your reply.

How about the price? Is it good for a second hand one? Where can I find the price for the new one?

It looks gen to me.

Also the strap it's gen.

I wouldn't have any doubts.

Just ask a few close up pics, to make sure it doesn't have scratches, but for the rest it seams a good deal at all.

[scoobs1971]

This is a PAM0164, no PAM104

To me this doesn't look like a rep. The subdial is more sunken than on a rep. The 5 minutes marks are bigger and the 12 is not touching the rehaut.

Last week there was a thread about the new rep 164. You might take a look at that to be more confident.

But if I were you I would ask for the serial number and see if that's the same number as on the reps. Or you might check the number with the AD.

Good luck!

[gianton]

Thanks for your input. I have requested the serial number and will check it with the AD.

This is a PAM0164, no PAM104

To me this doesn't look like a rep. The subdial is more sunken than on a rep. The 5 minutes marks are bigger and the 12 is not touching the rehaut.

Last week there was a thread about the new rep 164. You might take a look at that to be more confident.

But if I were you I would ask for the serial number and see if that's the same number as on the reps. Or you might check the number with the AD.

Good luck!

[gianton]

In the hunt for a gen... well I got another offer for a brand new PAM005 at

[watcher]

Genuine for sure. The 164 is a very nice watch. I owned one a couple of yeras ago and always enjoyed wearing it. The strap shown is the standard one it comes with and should be on a deployant too with a spare Rubber strap.

[mikellem]

What a beautiful watch...

Which collector has the best rep of the Pam 164?

Thanks,

-MM

[lello]

Personally I like more the 164.

I think

[capice]

both beauties G, I would go for the 005

[Watchmeister]

I prefer the 164 from an aesthetic perspective but I couldn't live without the date.

[V]

Both gen.. I personally am more fond of the historic manual wind than the contemporary automatics.

They are quite different for you to be easy to choose

[gianton]

Thanks for your inputs guys!

Now would you buy a gen from online ADs? The reason I want to buy these models online is that the AD in Greece don't have them.

[V]

Thanks for your inputs guys!

Now would you buy a gen from online ADs? The reason I want to buy these models online is that the AD in Greece don't have them.

Yes I would..

Btw... I got into the Greek AD this Christmas with my 112 and the Metta strap and the salesman was drooling over it.

[gianton]

Well I got an offer for a PAM111i at

[gianton]

Some more photos showing the authenticity of it:

[V]

Yeap.. genuine.

[gianton]

Thanks V for your reply! Is the price good enough to proceed with the deal? List price is

[V]

Thanks V for your reply! Is the price good enough to proceed with the deal? List price is

[gianton]

Well he asks

[scoobs1971]

The 111i looks gen to me:

- right shape of 2, 3 and 6

- yellowish font

- L Swiss Made L not too close to the 6

- no recessed cannon pinion

- fat crown

- flush CG

- the extra 'hole' near the incablock shock protector

I love the strap!

Unfortunately my experience with a web AD was not a good one. The watch I've bought from them stopped working within 2 months. When I tried to contact them for repair they didn't answer my mails and didn't pick up the phone. Lucky for me I could send it to the brand manufacturer and they repaired it for free.