cleobis Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi, so I contacted customs and said that it was a gift, so I had no receipt for it. They said that in any case it should have a value so that customs can clear it....they sent me this form for me to fill and send them. Though they say that it allways will be pending approval in customs.... So, my question...how do you think I should fill this? it's a Pam 111H replica? cheers click here for value declaration thks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Since you are in the clutches of customs now, there is a very real chance the watch will be seized. I would say that the watch is a 'prototype' sent to you as a gift for your opinion. Sticky situation for sure. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 You can't say something like "novelty diver underwater wristwatch $XX" ? Usually the people who work there don't care, as long as all of the spaces on the form are filled out with something, then their job has been done and they release the item. That is what I notice here in Canada. The customs police are like these programmed machines that obey orders and have no clue as to what they are actually doing. Just remember do not mention the brand name and write really fast and squiggly to tire them out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyd3 Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 I would try "novelty wrist watch with no commercial value." Marty You can't say something like "novelty diver underwater wristwatch $XX" ? Usually the people who work there don't care, as long as all of the spaces on the form are filled out with something, then their job has been done and they release the item. That is what I notice here in Canada. The customs police are like these programmed machines that obey orders and have no clue as to what they are actually doing. Just remember do not mention the brand name and write really fast and squiggly to tire them out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkerouac Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 You can't say something like "novelty diver underwater wristwatch $XX" ? Usually the people who work there don't care, as long as all of the spaces on the form are filled out with something, then their job has been done and they release the item. That is what I notice here in Canada. The customs police are like these programmed machines that obey orders and have no clue as to what they are actually doing. Just remember do not mention the brand name and write really fast and squiggly to tire them out.... That advice sounds as good as any. At this point you are in a roulette wheel sort of situation, and not one where you have a lot of control. The best you can do is muddy the water a bit and keep your fingers crossed for a positive outcome. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinnyConHeo Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 This is some scary stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Just wanted to thread crap in order to say gorgeous pic in your signature, cleobis. Good luck with the customs form. I would use "Broken wristwatch for repair and return to sender." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Good luck with the customs form. I would use "Broken wristwatch for repair and return to sender." I would second that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleobis Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Thks guys...I'll try the return to sender thing....let's hope it will work out...I'll keep you informed of the outcome @chieftang Thks I loooove IWC watches and decided to do a sig with a IWC watch, glad you like it Photoshop is your friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodwc Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 On the customs form which Andrew has sent 5 times , was declared as Fashion Accessory, value $20, Gift. He said never to make any mention of a watch. No probs. here so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jens Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Thks guys...I'll try the return to sender thing....let's hope it will work out...I'll keep you informed of the outcome @chieftang Thks I loooove IWC watches and decided to do a sig with a IWC watch, glad you like it Photoshop is your friend cleobis, no no no. You already stated it was a gift, stick to that. If you provide a totally different explanation now, it means that you lied to them in the first place - they don't like that at all, and lying to an official entity as customs is regarded as a serious issue that may bring you into trouble however small it is. As said, stick to the gift explanation. Say it's a gift and due to that you don't know exactly what it is, nor the value, but that you would be very surpriced if the value was more than a 20-30-40 USD (tune this to your possible limits for VAT payment). Furthermore, state that if you have to pay anything for receiving a gift, they can do whatever they want - return it to the sender or whatever. I've used this method once (so has a friend of mine), and as it implies quite some paperworkwork at their side to do that, their attitude might change to your favour if you are lucky. You may loose your watch, which is not a nice thing, but far better than geting involved in a dispute with customs. This is not nice for legal goods, and absolutly not for illegal goods. Loss of a watch is something that happens sometimes in this game . I don't know the exact legal situation re. import or possession of reps in Portugal and how the EU legsilation is implemented w.r.t. end users, you should check that out. What worries me is that people here who don't know either, give advices that may bring you into serious trouble. How US, Canada, Kuala Lumpur or whatever country handles reps is of almost no interrest, what we do know is that in Europe many countries have implemented very strict rules re. counterfeited goods. Both Italy and France are very strict, the latter giving fines of maybe 10.000 EUR for just beeing in posession of a faked product. So please all, if you don't have any knowledge don't give advices that may bring other people who don't know either into trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleobis Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 cleobis, no no no. You already stated it was a gift, stick to that. If you provide a totally different explanation now, it means that you lied to them in the first place - they don't like that at all, and lying to an official entity as customs is regarded as a serious issue that may bring you into trouble however small it is. As said, stick to the gift explanation. Say it's a gift and due to that you don't know exactly what it is, nor the value, but that you would be very surpriced if the value was more than a 20-30-40 USD (tune this to your possible limits for VAT payment). Furthermore, state that if you have to pay anything for receiving a gift, they can do whatever they want - return it to the sender or whatever. I've used this method once (so has a friend of mine), and as it implies quite some paperworkwork at their side to do that, their attitude might change to your favour if you are lucky. You may loose your watch, which is not a nice thing, but far better than geting involved in a dispute with customs. This is not nice for legal goods, and absolutly not for illegal goods. Loss of a watch is something that happens sometimes in this game . I don't know the exact legal situation re. import or possession of reps in Portugal and how the EU legsilation is implemented w.r.t. end users, you should check that out. What worries me is that people here who don't know either, give advices that may bring you into serious trouble. How US, Canada, Kuala Lumpur or whatever country handles reps is of almost no interrest, what we do know is that in Europe many countries have implemented very strict rules re. counterfeited goods. Both Italy and France are very strict, the latter giving fines of maybe 10.000 EUR for just beeing in posession of a faked product. So please all, if you don't have any knowledge don't give advices that may bring other people who don't know either into trouble. thks mate, will fill the form tonight and send them nxt morning.... cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB7 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I usually declare it as a "Fashion Accessory" worth $20, never had any problems doing it this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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