Watch stolen in the mail!

[TeeJay]

Yes, because rape is funny.

As funny as theft...

[Edit to add]

No, of course rape is never funny. But. Neither is theft, and, anyone who abuses the trust placed in them, and steals things they are being paid to deliver, well, sorry, but I won't feel any sympathy should their time in prison be less than pleasant.

What I did find funny, (and was laughing about) is that someone would be stupid enough to risk such consequences by committing a crime which will be seriously punished (as mentioned, in the US, this is a federal offence, so likely harsher sentancing than someone caught shoplifting would receive), which they would be made aware of, as terms of their employment. If someone is that stupid and greedy, then they deserve whatever's coming to them.

[Guest Mr Jones]

Five days ago EMS show watch is delivered to my address ... but I don't have any parcel any notice about shipment, Friday I talk to them about 'Proof of delivery' where and who take this shipment.

I think HUBLOT Tempus edition is now not in my hand, gryyyy ...

[client9]

I am very angry right now. Not only did my watch get stolen, but Eurotimez now wants me to pay him another $25 for him to send me another watch. Is this a joke!? I expected better from Eurotimez.

Edited July 14, 2008 by client9

[AMK000]

Accept it and pay that $25. Even though it shouldn't be that way ...... its a common practice amongst the dealers.

This is most likely due to the fact that the value of the stolen watch is covered by the dropshipper, while shipping cost is paid directly from the dealer.

[Guest avitt]

I am very angry right now. Not only did my watch get stolen, but Eurotimez now wants me to pay him another $25 for him to send me another watch. Is this a joke!? I expected better from Eurotimez.

I also think that the best solution is to pay...But it wouldn't hurt to ask Eurotimez if he would be willing to credit the $25 to you on a future order...

[sssurfer]

wow thats nice! you insure something for $600 and get $50 back after a postal worker steals it.

Dutch Post/TNT has a special service:insured shipment, it will be insured fbetween EU500 and max EU 5000, when lost or damaged, you will get paid the value stated on the form you filled in

I'm sure postal service in every country has that option

I hope your country postal service is different from mine.

In my country, whatever the amount you assure the package for, if it gets stolen you have to demonstrate its actual value by exhibiting invoices, tickets, or any other fiscal notes. You are, in case, get paid for what it's worth, not what you paid on its assuration if you over-assured it. If you have no fiscal notes, then you get paid back absolutely NOTHING.

Back to the topic, I have been stolen of:

- three watches, 700 USD, by the Thai customs (according to TTK's word);

- two rare casebacks by someone between Oz and my country;

- two sapphire crystals by someone between my country and US. Recent and painful.

[capice]

fully right SSS, same here...so you have to demonstrate its actual value, you put it right

[EuroTimez]

If Eurotimez is dropshipping from Thailand, then is was probably stolen in the Thai post.

I once had the same thing happen with a package coming from TH. When I contacted the dealer, he mentioned that this had happened to several packages from the same shipment (indicating a local theft, at the source). He also indicated that some small bribe money could be paid, to help keep this from happening.

@ Avittt..... I don't dropship! Please read before posting... I'm located in Thailand, so why would I need to dropship, watches from thailand pass thru my hands.

I also post from within EU.... ON REQUEST of the buyer.... the buyer didn't choose this option and went ahead with the free registered shipping.

[EuroTimez]

I am very angry right now. Not only did my watch get stolen, but Eurotimez now wants me to pay him another $25 for him to send me another watch. Is this a joke!? I expected better from Eurotimez.

I understand and I'm sorry the package got stolen....

What I don't understand however is..., why you need to get "very angry". As I'm replacing your watch on my cost.... which I actually don't need to do --read my policies--- ! I informed you about this....and that all I ask for is shipping cost...

Please read my policies which states cleary on my WEBSITE and in my RWG section...... which you decided not to quote....

The reason why I don't insure Registered airmail it is a pain to track --will take ages--, it is a pain to get insurance back, I cannot know for sure if the customer didn't take the watch and said never arrived / lost / stolen... at least with EMS it is online and can be fast-back-tracked where it went wrong. This is my policies and it wasn't a secret as it is posted very clearly.

CUSTOMS and LOST PARCELS --- click here

Customs and Lost Parcels;

We guarantee all shipments that are sent by:

- EMS (+$25)

- Shipped from within Europe (+$25)

We DON'T guarantee shipments that are sent by:

- Registered Airmail shipped from Asia to Worldwide (Free)

Conditions:

1) When there is significant proof that a Package has been seized by customs/stolen/lost in transaction we will send a replacement.

2) We reserve the right to decline a replacement. (i.e Fraude).

3) We will not be responsible if a replacement shipment gets seized/stolen/lost for the second time.

We assume responsibility if the first shipment (every new order) get seized/stolen/lost if applicable as in

[Guest avitt]

@ Avittt..... I don't dropship! Please read before posting... I'm located in Thailand, so why would I need to dropship, watches from thailand pass thru my hands.

I also post from within EU.... ON REQUEST of the buyer.... the buyer didn't choose this option and went ahead with the free registered shipping.

Excuse me, Eurotimez...but you've missed the point of my post. I really don't care where you are located, or whether you dropship or not - The point was: If your packages originate from Thailand, the watch was most likely pilfered at the source.

The dealer in my experience did not dropship either...

[client9]

Eurotimez, it's likely that the watch was stolen in Thailand, not in the US. If the chances of goods being stolen in your country are high, I suggest Registered Airmail stop being offered and EMS be used exclusively. Forcing a customer to take a gamble on whether or not they will ever receive a watch does not fit with your overall fantastic customer service.

Edited July 19, 2008 by client9

[client9]

One last thing: Thank you, Eurotimez, for going above and beyond what was required of you. You are great.

[Dani]

Yes, because rape is funny.

it is when the basterd that is getting the end of a big black pyton is [censored] thief, do you now have it feels to have a one of watch at a value of 1500$ stolen?

Guess not , you woud be crying your eyeballs out is my guess.

I'm going OT here, but according to some people I know who work in the system, rape isn't as common in there as we're lead to believe. I mean come on, it's a bunch of ignorant tough guys, what self respecting tough guy wants to ummm...touch another man? And rape is never funny.

On topic, the thief will eventually get caught, and that will stop future losses, but unfortunately it wont get anyone's watches back. Bittersweet. I do hope it is sooner rather than later.

Uhh In the US rape is very common due to the lenght of the normal prison term..After 10years a tight man's but will seem pretty ok for some its illegal in most US prison to have porn mags and such so guess what after some time people get desprate.

Cheers

[lanikai]

Some things just don't add up for me.. and if you could help me clear it up (for me) ..

If the package were empty when it arrived in the US.. the light weight and lack of item listed on the paper work in the package and the "cut" in the package would surely arouse the interest of Homeland Security ... they do check the paper work to the item very carefully.. I will not get into how I have experienced this "twice" .. from the same point of origin..

If it were opened by customs it would be sealed with a green US Customs tape.. I will add a pic in a minute .... if they confinscated it from Thailand you would not get a package at all.. but a ceritified letter in the mail .. usually stating not siezure but .. your item has been returned to the original sender due to lack of sufficient documentation for purposes of Duties.....your dealer would get the watch back and that would be that.. btw if you have it sent out EMS instead of Priority or First class you would really not have the problem I have just stated.. for some reason EMS is handled differently than other choices of freight...advantage is definately with the reciever on EMS..

So therefore the package had to have been opened(in theory) in between customs at the Airport and the final destination (your post office) before it gets to you...

and Customs is a very, very secure area.. no other people except sidearm totingagents are in there.. .. the truck is loaded in the Customs area and it goes straight to the Post office..

[blue_sphere]

wow that is a real shame. Just talk to Euro about another I guess and see what can be done.

[Dani]

Some things just don't add up for me.. and if you could help me clear it up (for me) ..

If the package were empty when it arrived in the US.. the light weight and lack of item listed on the paper work in the package and the "cut" in the package would surely arouse the interest of Homeland Security ... they do check the paper work to the item very carefully.. I will not get into how I have experienced this "twice" .. from the same point of origin..

If it were opened by customs it would be sealed with a green US Customs tape.. I will add a pic in a minute .... if they confinscated it from Thailand you would not get a package at all.. but a ceritified letter in the mail .. usually stating not siezure but .. your item has been returned to the original sender due to lack of sufficient documentation for purposes of Duties.....your dealer would get the watch back and that would be that.. btw if you have it sent out EMS instead of Priority or First class you would really not have the problem I have just stated.. for some reason EMS is handled differently than other choices of freight...advantage is definately with the reciever on EMS..

So therefore the package had to have been opened(in theory) in between customs at the Airport and the final destination (your post office) before it gets to you...

and Customs is a very, very secure area.. no other people except sidearm totingagents are in there.. .. the truck is loaded in the Customs area and it goes straight to the Post office..

Post system in the hole world is like a ant farm of thiefs its simpel even custom agents and high ranked post officals steals.

Cheers

[narikaa]

Some things just don't add up for me.. and if you could help me clear it up (for me) ..

If the package were empty when it arrived in the US.. the light weight and lack of item listed on the paper work in the package and the "cut" in the package would surely arouse the interest of Homeland Security ... they do check the paper work to the item very carefully.. I will not get into how I have experienced this "twice" .. from the same point of origin..

If it were opened by customs it would be sealed with a green US Customs tape.. I will add a pic in a minute .... if they confinscated it from Thailand you would not get a package at all.. but a ceritified letter in the mail .. usually stating not siezure but .. your item has been returned to the original sender due to lack of sufficient documentation for purposes of Duties.....your dealer would get the watch back and that would be that.. btw if you have it sent out EMS instead of Priority or First class you would really not have the problem I have just stated.. for some reason EMS is handled differently than other choices of freight...advantage is definately with the reciever on EMS..

So therefore the package had to have been opened(in theory) in between customs at the Airport and the final destination (your post office) before it gets to you...

and Customs is a very, very secure area.. no other people except sidearm totingagents are in there.. .. the truck is loaded in the Customs area and it goes straight to the Post office..

Pardon me sir, I think you dropped these

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[MimiSars]

I have to say that Eurotimes is being pretty reasonable. As he stated himself, he has everything listed there regarding his policies. $25 aint much especially since he doesn't need to be doing this in the first place. Registered Airmail is a gamble and it should all be read before you even purchase from any dealer. Sucks that this had to happen to your first watch. Luckily, my 2 watches have came complete and working, one from TrustyTime (China) and the other from Narikaa (Europe). Ive never got a package from Thailand before but Im thinking that Europe would be the safest? Correct me if Im wrong.

[lanikai]

Now stay with this .. because the US Customs agents are the "Cleanest in the World" they are given thorough back ground checks .. polygraphs .. they are profiled though intense testing.. drug tested .. and the entire customs area is secured and video taped.. every inch ..

anyway..your package is prepared for foreign dispatch (paper work / Customs.. point of Origin)

paper work is approved and "foreign dispatch " is a go.... your parcel is on it's way to LAX.... where it is in a secure bin and NO ONE has access to it until it is taken directly from the Plane.. still cannot get to it.. and ushered into a secured area where no one is allowed but federal agents and the area is thoroughly scanned with video.. every square inch...(unless your hiding in the cargo hole no way can human hands touch this item..

Your parcel is numbered to correspond with the manifest of items sent.. checks and balances .. they are not randomly thrown in a bin at LAX Customs... everything is accounted for.. letters are not done in this fashion..and the numbered parcels are cross referenced with the manifest

Now .. Customs agents are looking for several things.. above all else .. drugs .. and they are trained to notice anomalies ... so a parcel that Say's "watch" should have some weight to it... yet this parcel would appear "empty".. so what is the first thing they do after reading the declaration and cross referencing the manifest

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.They open it.... and find only the dial and the hands wrapped inside.. but the parcel was sealed and not opened and resealed.. in other words it is obvious that nothing was removed .. they could send it back for lack of proper declaration .. but they are aware that it is what it is.. so to speak .. so they send it on its merry way .. to me.. with all contents present and accounted for..

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And ANYTIME customs opens or even accidentally tears your parcel ... this green tape will be applied after the item is thoroughly taped up .. only then will the Customs and border patrol tape be applied..

Now I still haven't opened this up.. because it is easier for me to locate the way it is .. for the moment... now if there were a watch in the parcel and it was opened it still would be passed...

Now the parcel goes to the Post office and is sorted and comes to me..

So there are options for you actually if in fact the package was opened and the watch was "stolen".. because now there is no evidence that it is a "fake" Rolex.. you could report it .. as theft and say anything,... from it was a Casio to parts...

and what is bothering is the fact that the post office would also notice this and may even question you to .. do you have the article that was supposed to be in the parcel..

there are a host of options... the time frame for these customs parcels are logged and tracked and scanned .. they could narrow down who touched it and when... so why don't you follow up because they cannot cause you harm for reporting something stolen that they have no proof of what it is...

You Feel Me ? ... you could end up catching the thief.. that is if you want to ...

[lanikai]

Pardon me sir, I think you dropped these

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... Reg.. your digs are petty and your shades match your personality .. is all there is to say... got a nice pink scarf to go with your glases ??

not that your life style is the question of this post..

[narikaa]

Ha

I forgot we're separated by a common language

rose-coloured glasses (British & Australian, American & Australian, British)

if someone thinks about or looks at something with rose-coloured glasses, they think it is more pleasant than it really is. She's nostalgic for a past that she sees through rose-colored glasses.

See also: glass

Cambridge International Dictionary of Idioms

[lanikai]

Ha

I forgot we're separated by a common language

I would imagine at your age .. you "forget" alot Reg .... but put aside your seemingly trivial pursiuts.. give me some facts.. not quaint irrelevant diatribes... (gotta look that one up too ??)

give me some facts.. just this once .. instead of verbal bovine excrement !!

[client9]

Lanikai, thanks for the info.

The package didn't look like it had been previously opened when I received it -- the thief had done an excellent job. I can imagine this package passing through customs without arousing any suspicion. See the photo below. This was taken after I had realized the watch was stolen. Notice the clean line across the top that the crook made.

Edited July 20, 2008 by client9

[lanikai]

Lanikai, thanks for the info.

The package didn't look like it had been previously opened when I received it -- the thief had done an excellent job. I can imagine this package passing through customs without arousing any suspicion. See the photo below. This was taken after I had realized the watch was stolen. Notice the clean line across the top that the crook made.

Well.. all I can say is .. they would have a record of who touched it last.. after it was released form Customs... and the powers that be really Know that these are not genuine rolex's otherwise you would be charged a duty as I once was almost 3 years ago.... just paid it and hoped it was a one time deal..

so the option is there..report it.. although they may find it suspicious to report an empty package ,.. after you have taken it home.. .. and will ask why did you not repoert it when you picked it up? .. obviously empty then too ??.. sounds like no risk to you. .. but that's totally your call...

Lani

edit add:.. btw.. I used to work at the airport and was taken on a tour of Customs by a co-workers Dad.. who was head of Customs at the airport.. they are more secure than Fort Knox in a lot of way's .. so I am really not speculating..just in case members are wondering.. Sorry Bro .. too many inconsistensies..

I would really loet this one go................................................................

[Guest avitt]

In my case (and several others reported at the same time) the package was cleanly sliced open by Thai postal workers, and then resealed. I have no idea what was marked on the customs form regarding the description or weight, but it did not arouse the interest of US customs, and was not opened by them.

I just received a nice, light package....I think that's how it happens most of the time.