jaykeem Posted August 28, 2008 Report Posted August 28, 2008 Guys I wanted to share with you a quick photo comparison of my gen 000 and my rep 000 that I just finished making on Monday. I'll go in depth at a later time with better photos of the actual case and its dimensions. But from my experience the standard rep case from the cartel is amazing. The edges are a touch rounded on the rep but unless you are looking for it you will never know the difference. Anyway here are some photos to see what I'm talking about. I think the rep is very good as I took the Ted Su off it it and put it back on the rep thinking it was the gen lol. The 'flaws' are there but when looking at the watch as a whole and on the wrists its virtually indistinguishable. We can talk about the thickness of the lume, wrong As or Rs, logo is more bold, the crown looks thinner, ETC. Our dealers provide us with awesome reps and with a little work they can be pretty damn good. One thing I did notice though is that the rep cartel crown I have has 50 teeth. The dimensions are the same as the gen but has 54 teeth. The rep cartel crown I have just has a more pronounced bevel on the teeth which makes it reflect as looking smaller. Last thing I would like to note is that V's crownguards awesome and dare I say BETTER than the gen?
Guest hoopty Posted August 28, 2008 Report Posted August 28, 2008 (edited) Beautiful though the biggest tell is the OP logo on the REP is too thick and the low bar A's. besides that spot on. Edited August 28, 2008 by hoopty
dluddy Posted August 28, 2008 Report Posted August 28, 2008 Thanks for posting this comparison. We can get them pretty close.....Just need a better Logo Dial
jaykeem Posted August 28, 2008 Author Report Posted August 28, 2008 I wish the factory who made this dial would come back and make some more painted dials
cskent69 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 jaykeem - where did you get this one? Which dealer?
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) cskent - you can find the full info on what went into this watch here http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=81253 This watch used parts from a lot of different dealers. Edited August 29, 2008 by jaykeem
yellomen Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 First of all... thanx for making a comparisson!! But... do you really count 54 teeth on the gen? There's a discussion going on about crowns produced by T and some members with a fairly recent PAM000 or PAM112 count only 48 teeth One thing I did notice though is that the rep cartel crown I have has 50 teeth. The dimensions are the same as the gen but has 54 teeth. The rep cartel crown I have just has a more pronounced bevel on the teeth which makes it reflect as looking smaller.
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 I counted 54 on my gen PVD auto crown which was only made for the A-B PAM28 I counted 48 on my manual wind 000H
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 I'm also wait for chinkiechunkie to count his 112J teeth if he can stop being lazy and do it like I asked a week ago when T released his crowns.
capice Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 great thread , Absolutely love logo Pams. Second tell would be the LswissL Amazing work on your rep JK....congrats
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 Here are some photos I took from the Japanese collectors website. I think I see what looks like 48 on preV and 54 on the A. I could be wrong I hope Sylar can chime in as I believe he has a manual crown from an A-D series.
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) Sorry guys I did a better job of counting the PVD auto crown I was definitely wrong about 54 teeth its 52 on the gen PVD auto crown of mine Here is a 100% crop of how I counted my gen crown. I taped the crown off into sections of teeth covered in tape and not covered in tape. 14 + 10 + 18 + 10 = 52. Please excuse my tore up looking OP crown package. Edited August 29, 2008 by jaykeem
V Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 Please excuse my tore up looking OP crown package. Btw the package from a cg lever!? Tha package has a MX code which means it is an H series cg lever.. Earlier A-E series levers had PAV code... Did you got that crown in this package?
LegendofSpeed Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 I gave him the gen crown in that package... it is indeed a gen crown.... and it is indeed the packaging for a gen lever.... i was looking in my watchbox for something handy and that is what i found so i wouldn't lose it in my pocket...
robertb Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 LOL, Jaykeem thought this was the original packaging for the crown this whole time. I'll count the teeth on my gen 005J as well when I get home but I'm sure it's the same as Jaykeem's gen 000H
LegendofSpeed Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 Tha package has a MX code which means it is an H series cg lever.. And you are incorrect on the MX code as this is what Richemont has in there system as the lever for a 40mm lever... it was sent to me by mistake and later corrected by them with the proper part, MX0025DV, which is the lever for an 029....
LegendofSpeed Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 LOL, Jaykeem thought this was the original packaging for the crown this whole time. I'll count the teeth on my gen 005J as well when I get home but I'm sure it's the same as Jaykeem's gen 000H I'll give him the 40mm lever that was in the package... then he can be complete!
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 Well thanks Mike for giving me a gen PVD crown in a lever case! So where did this 'gen' crown come from I want a refund! j/k
LegendofSpeed Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 by the way, thinking about it... it is possible the MX lever is not the original part for the 029... at which point, we're both correct and incorrect at the same time... Well thanks Mike for giving me a gen PVD crown in a lever case! So where did this 'gen' crown come from I want a refund! j/k i make them in my garage... then i send them to turkey for a friend to sell... got you all fooled!
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 I knew you were involved in this trickery somehow! We'll hopefully with everyones input we will narrow down what the actual teeth count is for the gen crowns.
V Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 And you are incorrect on the MX code as this is what Richemont has in there system as the lever for a 40mm lever... it was sent to me by mistake and later corrected by them with the proper part, MX0025DV, which is the lever for an 029.... Anyway it really doesn't matter what lever exactly it is... It is definately not the packaging of a crown so no reason for Jay to show it in it But indeed the H series cg lever is MX0025DV .. so if they sold it to you as lever for the 29 that means that all cgs A-now have the same lever.
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Posted August 29, 2008 Anyway it really doesn't matter what lever exactly it is... It is definately not the packaging of a crown so no reason for Jay to show it in it But indeed the H series cg lever is indeed the MX0025DV .. so if they sold it to youas lever for the 29 that means that all cgs A-now have the same lever. Deleted as you recommended! I'd like to see someone with a gen auto count their crown to confirm a teeth count on it.
LegendofSpeed Posted August 29, 2008 Report Posted August 29, 2008 i have my 063 on with gen crown and CG.... but it's hard to count teeth with the CG in the way.... i have spares at home i can count...
scoobs1971 Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 Great comparison, thnx! Finally a pic that makes it clear that the gen 3, 6, 9 and 12 fonts are bigger than on the rep. Something I've also noticed with the 'ultimate' PAM001b and 111e...
dylan Posted August 30, 2008 Report Posted August 30, 2008 It was Jay that inspired me to pick this up. I had to sell my 002D, base PAM a while back and I've been missing one in my collection. The logo is soooo cool!
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