Krayfish Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Ok Here it is, I feel I have waited long enough for a reply now. This was my email to him, its easier to just post it uphere as I sent it to him. Dear Chris Few questions though, the Gen Certified ETA, on the bracelet it said "OK ETA V3" how do I know this is a GEN Eta that I paid for? The reason I ask is for the following reasons that have made me a little anxious to tell the truth, i know you have been very busy and i feel the QC was not done, or done in a hurry for several reasons. first let me assure you I am not questioning your integrity, because you have a fantastic reputation which is why I took the plunge and used you and paid for the best I could afford ie, Gen ETA, You also answered all my questions with regards to details and which to go for.....so here are my dilema's First of all you advertise you check the watches over and do a quick service, and ensure its all working (screws, watertight, allignment of bezel an glass) this is great and just what I wanted but for over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youpmelone Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Am rooting for Chris, hope he can solve this and that this is just a temporary rough patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I got an email off him, he is trying I will give him that, not posting what he is offering on here as it could be different for each member, depending on each watches issue. So he is coming good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr.TuB Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 he did offer me some solutions too... what kidn of compensation did chris offer to you guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 as crappy as it sounds NO MATTER what you guys will have to learn to fix things on your reps yourself. I got a crooked dial, rust stained bracelet, insert popping out, crooked crystal and unevenly pressed. ALL of which I learned to fix myself cause i wanted it done and wanted it done correctly. as for the case back my understanding as ironic as it sounds the "POLFY, SHITNERAND" was the mark of quality and an easy way to idnetify the better built MBK watch. dont fret it, no one will ever see the engraving and if they do the jigs' un anyways from the eta movement beneath it. i had optimistic hopes with rep collecting as well when i first started, it was shattered UNTIL i fixed it myself and learned a whole new world of skill in the process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 as crappy as it sounds NO MATTER what you guys will have to learn to fix things on your reps yourself. I got a crooked dial, rust stained bracelet, insert popping out, crooked crystal and unevenly pressed. ALL of which I learned to fix myself cause i wanted it done and wanted it done correctly. as for the case back my understanding as ironic as it sounds the "POLFY, SHITNERAND" was the mark of quality and an easy way to idnetify the better built MBK watch. dont fret it, no one will ever see the engraving and if they do the jigs' un anyways from the eta movement beneath it. i had optimistic hopes with rep collecting as well when i first started, it was shattered UNTIL i fixed it myself and learned a whole new world of skill in the process Yea thats cool, it just as you know you pay EXTRA for check to take place so that there are no "problems" with the watch. Everything that was wrong with mine are not issues with me wanting to improve on them as they do not resemble an original watch (like better crown, bezel or whatever) my issues are with BROKEN things, or bits falling off, fogging up. For example it was meant to be waterproof........mine fogs up so I have my doubts. Thats an issue for me as I paid for the Euromariner because it was........and I like to take it in the water, so now its costing me money to get it preassure tested. We understand what your saying about modding but this is not modding its just getting the watch into a conditon that you paid for it to be in before it was shipped. Having paid extra to have it in that condition, then getting it in a different one and having to spend $100 to get it right (wasting money that could have been spent on mods) If I knew this would have happened I'd have gotten it from some drop ship supplier and saved myself some money. Chris wants me to send it back..... I say no. Its going to cost me more than he is offering to compensate to actually send it away, god only knows when I'll get it back, so I proposed something else that wont cost him a penny. Because I'm good like that AND hopefully it gives him a chance to redeem himself and continue to get my buisness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr.TuB Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 what did you propose? Yea thats cool, it just as you know you pay EXTRA for check to take place so that there are no "problems" with the watch. Everything that was wrong with mine are not issues with me wanting to improve on them as they do not resemble an original watch (like better crown, bezel or whatever) my issues are with BROKEN things, or bits falling off, fogging up. For example it was meant to be waterproof........mine fogs up so I have my doubts. Thats an issue for me as I paid for the Euromariner because it was........and I like to take it in the water, so now its costing me money to get it preassure tested. We understand what your saying about modding but this is not modding its just getting the watch into a conditon that you paid for it to be in before it was shipped. Having paid extra to have it in that condition, then getting it in a different one and having to spend $100 to get it right (wasting money that could have been spent on mods) If I knew this would have happened I'd have gotten it from some drop ship supplier and saved myself some money. Chris wants me to send it back..... I say no. Its going to cost me more than he is offering to compensate to actually send it away, god only knows when I'll get it back, so I proposed something else that wont cost him a penny. Because I'm good like that AND hopefully it gives him a chance to redeem himself and continue to get my buisness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 what did you propose? I proposed he send me a noob caseback at the very least and seeing as its costing me $100 to fix all the problems and sort out the bracelet pins, waterproofing and service/oiling, and bezel fix he might like to consider giving me some kind of better discount on a Deep Sea Dweller Rolex with Swiss ETA. That way we can sort things out, he is not out of pocket and having to fix things, I get my watch done locally (albeit at a cost of $100, and we can maybe do some more deals in the new year when he is up and running at full steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted November 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 well, I have had no reply in regards to my situation. All I got was the "Dear RWG Members, Currently I'm traveling and sorting out some emergencies, I will be back in office on 25th of November...." I never got the "we will give a more detailed response in 24hrs....." I have resent the email wih pics and details. I live hours from a watchmaker so I have been unable to get it looked at. Today I am in the city and am going to have it repaired/looked at. Soon a month will have gone by since I have paid and I have an unwearbale watch without a resolution from the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexman Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I hope Chris is not ending up the same way as TWP... his business outgrowing him. I heard simular stories of QCs not being performed well or not at all. I was one of the first who ordered from Chris and I could verify all what was claimed (some of you may remember my Aquaracer review regarding his QC) but I'm seriously questioning his service lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oberblender Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 That sounds horrible! Thought about buying a watch from Chris, but now I definately won't! Looks like he didn't do any QC at all and sending inferior quality at very expensive prices. And then no answers at all... That's bad... I'll stick with PT and Narikaa, since these two really do what they say. I'm am very sorry for you and hope this issue will be solved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Well he told me to send it back to Asia, he will fix it and do a an "extra QC" whatever thats all about! I bought because he was UK/EU based...... He said he will refund me $25 off my next watch! Well its gonna cost me that to send it back to him! Not only that its basically not compensating me at all really, 1/2 off another watch would be better, or even passing one on at cost price.... I'm not sending mine back, no way am I gonna pay to send it back, wait months to get it back again with no comms inbetween, I'm taking it to a retired watchmaker (like my very own The Zigmeister find) awesome fella, he said he will fully service it, fix the bezel, redo the strap issues with the pins, or machine me a new pin and make it watertight for $100 Personally i find $25 a bit of a slap in the face truth be told specially as his damd watch cost me over $500 If I had sent one of my top watches out in the condition I got mine, having also charged for QC too.....I'd send them a nice one at half price or cost price. He's still not out of pocket, I'd be happy and we can all get on a do what we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Guys, Only posting here to show my avatar As Alligoat said, it's a typical MBW/K case back..and I love it. Cheers Stephane PS: really only posting the avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Guys, Only posting here to show my avatar As Alligoat said, it's a typical MBW/K case back..and I love it. Cheers Stephane PS: really only posting the avatar. lol Funny mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilty Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Well, I do have to sympathize with the issues you are having. We all have our expectations and obviously in this case, they have not been met. I know I've been let down over the years, and I bet nearly every member has as well. That is why I now focus on modding, and building, so I get what I want. Couple of things to point out, and I am not picking sides with you or the dealer. Just my observation: 1.) If you were not happy with the watch, why did you wear it? It is now a used watch, regardless of any QC issues. You should not have worn it if you were not happy. 2.) You mention it is not waterproof and it fogs up. I notice in one of your posts, there is a picture with the case back off to show the 'infamous' engravings. Sorry, but I don't think any watchmaker, or dealer, will honor any warranty if you removed the case back. If not properly reinstalled, there is a risk of waterproof issues, as well as the risk of dirt, dust, and lint, getting into the movement. Anyway, just some food for thought on future purchases. I hope everything works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Hiya stilty, it went in this order... Watch arrived opened it put it on adjusted bracelet, screws threaded went into sun watch fogged (Not opened) bezel fell apart on turning it! Took it to watch smith to verify movement. Sent emails off about being let down with Qc and quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr.TuB Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 so is the euromariner eta version actually swiss gen eta? Hiya stilty, it went in this order... Watch arrived opened it put it on adjusted bracelet, screws threaded went into sun watch fogged (Not opened) bezel fell apart on turning it! Took it to watch smith to verify movement. Sent emails off about being let down with Qc and quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Tub, He thought it was but agreed it was noisy. Rotor needs changing and he can add heavier oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I just listened to a fossil $100 automatic at the mall. I couldn't even here it tick, nor the rotor spin. It was ninja! (and, did I say it was $100!?!?!? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I just listened to a fossil $100 automatic at the mall. I couldn't even here it tick, nor the rotor spin. It was ninja! (and, did I say it was $100!?!?!? ) Odd eh! ETA movements must be crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted November 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 well, still no word from Chris as to a resolution, still waiting for a personalized reply. This is rediculous.....an unwearable watch for over $300. Awesome.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayfish Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Cht, try swinging by his website and sending it via his website "contact us" link, it could be it's all accidently going into a junk folder my mistake. Hang in there mate, I know it's a pain but he will take care of it all, either that or just get a watch smith to sort fix things and ask if chris would be willing to hook you up with a deal, it's easier and faster all round that way mate, Im gonna use chris again in the new year and give him a chance to get his buisness on it's feet after the nightmare he has been through. A dealer with 100% feedback won't risk messing about just before they ramp up their buisness another notch, trust is hard to come by in this game and he has assured me he is trying his best to do right by everyone effected by his problems of late, I believe him and will stick with him for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndoggie Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Cht, try swinging by his website and sending it via his website "contact us" link, it could be it's all accidently going into a junk folder my mistake. Hang in there mate, I know it's a pain but he will take care of it all, either that or just get a watch smith to sort fix things and ask if chris would be willing to hook you up with a deal, it's easier and faster all round that way mate, Im gonna use chris again in the new year and give him a chance to get his buisness on it's feet after the nightmare he has been through. A dealer with 100% feedback won't risk messing about just before they ramp up their buisness another notch, trust is hard to come by in this game and he has assured me he is trying his best to do right by everyone effected by his problems of late, I believe him and will stick with him for now. Good outlook on this. Luckily, I haven't received my euromariner yet (still being finished and QC'ed). I've emailed Chris several times as I monitored this thread, sometimes frantically, but Chris has been very professional with his responses (albeit a little slow 24-48hours on avg.)(Chris must think I am a little loony as the content of my emails progressively became more paranoid). I really think Chris values his clients and business so in the end everyone will be happy, no doubt. As soon as I get my watch I will review and let everyone know what too expect. He has admitted that he had a bad batch and dropped the ball on the QC. I don't blame you guys for being cranky about what you got from Chris at all but give him some time on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr.TuB Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 update... my watch's crown just fell off..... what the *BEEP* i have just emailed chris and told him start a new watch as I DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE PROCESS OF REPAIRNG. we'll see what he has to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted November 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 (edited) update... my watch's crown just fell off..... what the *BEEP* i have just emailed chris and told him start a new watch as I DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR THE PROCESS OF REPAIRNG. we'll see what he has to say oh no..... well, good news is, I got an email and a response! Yippee! I can send it back for repairs or have the parts sent back to me. I just paid to have it repaired in the city. (dial, stem, crystal, bezel, and movement,) but I'll still need the parts. Edited November 30, 2008 by cht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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