lanikai Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 After much frustration and venting ...... it seems that the project to finally take care of the dial issue is underway .. The maker decided to go with the smaller non beveled date window due to costs. on the V3 and V4 I am told the genuine dial (on the(Edit).. left) is manufactured in 2 pieces then fused together .. I'm not altogether clear on the reason .. it has something to do with the wider date window .. (something is lost in the translation to me) I am also informed that the correct dial is underway .. and will be made in 2 pieces and fused .. same procedure as the genuine.. it all came down to the cost of a 2 piece fused dial Now.. I'm not asking anyone to believe me ... because the proof will be in the final product.. I trust that this info is accurate. so we shall see.. it really makes sense that the cost of the replication came into play .. it is such a glaring flaw when the maker had the genuine available.. the genuine dial for sample is on the left.. the rep V4 is on the right.. I had to brighten and increase the contrast to be able to see the detail of the date window.. doing this has distorted the colour a little.. I decided to post this.. as I was torn between posting and not posting this info.. as I am aware that I am sticking my neck out with this.. so take it for what it's worth to you.. I am not trying to "promise" anything as I am just passing on info.. the proof as I say will be in the final dial.. I am not trying to stir up a rousing debate over dealers and makers either .. so please keep your comments under control Hopefully the maker will come through ~ Aloha~Cheers Lani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Lani, her you say the gen is on the right... am told the genuine dial (on the right) is manufactured in 2 pieces then fused together .. I'm not altogether clear on the reason .. it has something to do with the wider date window .. (something is lost in the translation to me) And here, you say the gen is on the left.... the genuine dial for sample is on the left.. the rep V4 is on the right.. I had to brighten and increase the contrast to be able to see the detail of the date window.. doing this has distorted the colour a little.. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Lani, her you say the gen is on the right... am told the genuine dial (on the right) is manufactured in 2 pieces then fused together .. I'm not altogether clear on the reason .. it has something to do with the wider date window .. (something is lost in the translation to me) And here, you say the gen is on the left.... the genuine dial for sample is on the left.. the rep V4 is on the right.. I had to brighten and increase the contrast to be able to see the detail of the date window.. doing this has distorted the colour a little.. MM sorry ma bad.. the genuine is on the left.. (watching the NBA playoff and trying to type this.. ) I'll edit it.. thanks M.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Anytime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Lani, Thanks for the great imfo... I love this watch... All your wonderful contributions are very much appreciated by me and the rest of this forum.. This place would not be the same without you! Thanks Mate! MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkBachs Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Two questions: What is the final answer to the whether the gen dial is matte or glossy? There are posts that go so far as the show how to "correct" or simulate a matte dial, yet I have had a conversation with a dealer that states that the gen dial is indeed glossy. From what I can find on line for gen dials, they seem matte to me, but it's a challenge to tell in most of the photos. When these next generation dials are made, is there any chance that they'll be sold individually for dial swaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 it was a double post sorry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Two questions: What is the final answer to the whether the gen dial is matte or glossy? There are posts that go so far as the show how to "correct" or simulate a matte dial, yet I have had a conversation with a dealer that states that the gen dial is indeed glossy. From what I can find on line for gen dials, they seem matte to me, but it's a challenge to tell in most of the photos. When these next generation dials are made, is there any chance that they'll be sold individually for dial swaps? I have yet to come across a genuine pic that shows beyond a doubt that the dial is matte.. and not "semi glossy" look at the pic and notice the reflection on the date window bevel.. the thickness of the crystal also adds to the look of the dial being somewhat more glossy than it is.. but I do believe it is 'semi' glossy.. but I will be going to the AD this week.. now that I can wear a genuine.. seemed out of place in the pass to enter wearing nothing and having a tan line on my wrist. look at the dial comparison on the start of the thread.. the genuine and replication look equal... but again the colour is distorted on both due to brightening the image for detail.. @MM.. thank you .. your support is always appreciated !! aloha L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaPOFL Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 wow that'd be great lani!! lol i bet this will be the ultimate v5 best in the world edition!!! i cant waittt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Much thanks for the update. Can't wait for the next version. And I may be missing something but your pic of rep and gen dial convinces me that the gen dial is semi-gloss and not matte. Of course you can never tell from pictures for sure but that is my bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheaton26 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 I will be going to the AD this week.. now that I can wear a genuine.. seemed out of place in the pass to enter wearing nothing and having a tan line on my wrist. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo1nah2a Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Thank You for the good news. Maybe the reason for the 'fused dial' is the fact that the bezel of the date window is polished while the rest of the dial is semi-mat. Look at this gen picture: this is NOT a mat dial: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Much thanks for the update. Can't wait for the next version. And I may be missing something but your pic of rep and gen dial convinces me that the gen dial is semi-gloss and not matte. Of course you can never tell from pictures for sure but that is my bet. True 2... I don't know where the "matte" dial originated.. I never viewed the genuine pics and translated the dial as "matte" and it looks even more so(glossy) due to the "coke bottle" thickness of the domed xtal. regardless .... the pics of the genuine watch in my post were the same ones used in the pictorial review.. and were out long before the replication was released. After much debate with my dealer.. and to his credit .. on his current trip to China.. requested the genuine dial and the rep dial be photographed as a side by side. the issue of the fused dial.. has to do with the wider date window (I need to clariy that point with him) .. but the cost of doing this was at first unacceptable to the maker.. but being that there is (for whatever reason) no way around it .. our dealer has convinced him this is a "must" for the DSSD.. I was wrong when I stated that "I can live with the Date Window".. .. wasn't the first time.. and probably won't be the last either.. Aloha R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertieng Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 It's funny that we have always been after the date window/glossy/matt issue of the dial which I feel only plays a small part of the flaw when considering the actual appearance of the hour markers. It is an immediate tell by looking at the metal rim of markers the dial/watch is fake. The thickness of the metal rim is simply just too much as compared to the gen. This is the same case as with the LV Maxi dial - even with the Noob dial or the upcoming WM9 LV dial, the markers are all wrong. There used to be a very accurate Maxi markers for the LV in the old days, and now it is nowhere to be found anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoxxx1984 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 WOW!!! I was going to buy the DSSD V4... now I think I will wait a little bit... But please Lani, make name of the dealer(s) and the time that the dealer will need to make this amazing V5! Thank you a lot friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balosch Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Is the V4 the version trusty sells as his "ultimate" http://www.tt88time.com/index.php?main_pag...roducts_id=4007 ??? THX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanya Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Nice Lani as usual But I'm fed up on this one. If I can get Josh or Andrew to sell me the dial only and have Rex mount it for me I would be a happy camper but to go thru this whole version of the month thing again makes me want to vomit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Nice Lani as usual But I'm fed up on this one. If I can get Josh or Andrew to sell me the dial only and have Rex mount it for me I would be a happy camper but to go thru this whole version of the month thing again makes me want to vomit!!! I know the feeling T... I thought I would be ok with the dw... but it is in the making now.. so check with your dealer but the dial is not Matte .... it is semi glossy.. my dealer went so far as to make the trip to the maker and send me the pics of the genuine.. unfortunately I had to take out so much saturation it dissolved the gloss look.. I did this to shoe the detail fot he dw I think what was being explained to me was the dial is in 2 pieces (sandwiched) together that is why the dw was not replicated by the maker at first and the one that was... is still not accurate.. look at the bevel on the genuine.. it is like a framed double bevel.. ergo the "fused" dial to give it this detail.. I'll let you know more as soon as I am informed T. L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toobs Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Lani, Do you know if the bezel font issue is being addressed as well? thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonio_fr Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 I am far from beeing a Rlx expert but it seems to me that the "S" of the "SEA", both the big and the small one, have not the same font as the gen... I am wrong ? After much frustration and venting ...... it seems that the project to finally take care of the dial issue is underway .. The maker decided to go with the smaller non beveled date window due to costs. on the V3 and V4 I am told the genuine dial (on the(Edit).. left) is manufactured in 2 pieces then fused together .. I'm not altogether clear on the reason .. it has something to do with the wider date window .. (something is lost in the translation to me) I am also informed that the correct dial is underway .. and will be made in 2 pieces and fused .. same procedure as the genuine.. it all came down to the cost of a 2 piece fused dial Now.. I'm not asking anyone to believe me ... because the proof will be in the final product.. I trust that this info is accurate. so we shall see.. it really makes sense that the cost of the replication came into play .. it is such a glaring flaw when the maker had the genuine available.. the genuine dial for sample is on the left.. the rep V4 is on the right.. I had to brighten and increase the contrast to be able to see the detail of the date window.. doing this has distorted the colour a little.. I decided to post this.. as I was torn between posting and not posting this info.. as I am aware that I am sticking my neck out with this.. so take it for what it's worth to you.. I am not trying to "promise" anything as I am just passing on info.. the proof as I say will be in the final dial.. I am not trying to stir up a rousing debate over dealers and makers either .. so please keep your comments under control Hopefully the maker will come through ~ Aloha~Cheers Lani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY0811 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 thanx Lanikai u rock bud!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 And with proper bezel fonts and thickness the next version could be a sight to behold. I had a V3 but the thin bezel numerals bothered me, seemed like it needed to be thicker to break the monotony of the ceramic. But it was extremely well-made from what I can tell. I applaud attempts to further improve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraExtra Posted July 1, 2009 Report Share Posted July 1, 2009 Does anyone know if the new version with corrections on dial is scheduled to come out soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smab Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I am far from beeing a Rlx expert but it seems to me that the "S" of the "SEA", both the big and the small one, have not the same font as the gen... I am wrong ? Here is a collection of gen pics, from different angles. Hope they can give a clue to the nature of the date windows as well as the gloss, or non gloss dial. http://www.luxury24.org/deepsea_seadweller.htm smab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDorian Posted July 2, 2009 Report Share Posted July 2, 2009 I think I read in the Gio review of the V5 from Eurotimez the data window is correct... is this not the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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