t Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Hi Guys T48 crowns are nearly sold out. Only few are available. My question to all members... did we need more crowns? I could produce a new batch of T48 crowns. It would take 4 months to have them ready i could produce them also for 0.9mm stem size T48 - SS, Titanium, PVD - 1.2mm stem size T48 - SS - 0.9mm stem size or would we need 0.9mm stem size also in Titanium and PVD???? Or 0.9mm stem site in Steel only??? are the crowns good enough or we need a update???? please advise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 my 2 cents would be to make more. Thank you t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefcook Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I think you could sell them well, definitely. Just do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klocklind1 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 YES I need a lot of T48 titanium crowns!!! I think it is more difficult to find good looking titanium crowns ( the only perfect ones id YOURS!!!) !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 i would prefer a t-48 upgrade crown with 2,1mm wideness. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 really????? 2.1mm thickness instead of 2.0mm??? what the others members think about this idea from Rolli??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmcsherry Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Why deviate from the perfect recipe you've got?! I've got genuine OEM crowns that I can't distinguish from yours (other than the tube thickness) - IMHO, making it 2.1mm is pointless, in the same way that a 1.8mm crown is wrong, a 2.1mm crown is wrong! I've got a few ideas that could definetly benefit from some Ti / PVD T48's in the future!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 wrong or not wrong. for me..... it doesn't matter.... the 2,1 mm palp crown looks very good and have a great feeling. and for the overall view it has a better balance between the crown-guard and case. that's why i would to plead in favour of the 2,1 mm t_48_crown. rolli Why deviate from the perfect recipe you've got?! I've got genuine OEM crowns that I can't distinguish from yours (other than the tube thickness) - IMHO, making it 2.1mm is pointless, in the same way that a 1.8mm crown is wrong, a 2.1mm crown is wrong! I've got a few ideas that could definetly benefit from some Ti / PVD T48's in the future!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 First - thanks T for making these and other projects - their success is surely measured by how well they've sold!! The question of "which crown looks best" is one that has kept me hunched over the work-bench many long nights!! I've compared the OEM on my 002-D , Marcus's 2.1mm "PALP" crowns and Tourby's T-48's countless times and have formed an opinion to put out there I often found that a PALP 2.1mm looked more correct than a 2.0mm T-48 , with certain CG combinations especially so. Depsite the 2.1mm thickness , PALP looked closer to the OEM (1.98mm) and this is mainly due the the high polish level and more angled / flat bevelled edge giving a thinner appearance than 2.1mm The recess on the 2.0mm T-48 is perfect however, and proof is how it fits with an OEM CG lever or JF CG. The overall finish and working operation of the T-48 is also superior to the PALP 2.1mm. I believe that the T-48 2.0mm crown is the correct size but would reccomend some minor adjustments 1- Sharper / flater angle on the bevelled edges - to give slight effect of looking "thinner" than 2.0mm 2- Higher polish on the Stainless Steel version Any other views out there? Cheers FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 First - thanks T for making these and other projects - their success is surely measured by how well they've sold!! The question of "which crown looks best" is one that has kept me hunched over the work-bench many long nights!! I've compared the OEM on my 002-D , Marcus's 2.1mm "PALP" crowns and Tourby's T-48's countless times and have formed an opinion to put out there I often found that a PALP 2.1mm looked more correct than a 2.0mm T-48 , with certain CG combinations especially so. Depsite the 2.1mm thickness , PALP looked closer to the OEM (1.98mm) and this is mainly due the the high polish level and more angled / flat bevelled edge giving a thinner appearance than 2.1mm The recess on the 2.0mm T-48 is perfect however, and proof is how it fits with an OEM CG lever or JF CG. The overall finish and working operation of the T-48 is also superior to the PALP 2.1mm. I believe that the T-48 2.0mm crown is the correct size but would reccomend some minor adjustments 1- Sharper / flater angle on the bevelled edges - to give slight effect of looking "thinner" than 2.0mm 2- Higher polish on the Stainless Steel version Any other views out there? Cheers FGD I completely agree with this assessment FGD. With these minor improvements the Gen 2 T-48 will be Thanks for continuing to make and improve these T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I completely agree with this assessment FGD. With these minor improvements the Gen 2 T-48 will be Thanks for continuing to make and improve these T And I agree with what dluddy has agreed with FGD... Great appreciation goes to T for dedicating the time, effort & energy in producing these even though there were a couple of hiccups along the way... thanks T! Oh, and what about producing the updated T48s with CGs too? that'll be perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 So, if you are looking for input, I would suggest that we try and make them more genuine if possible. By this I mean - could we add spring action (some of the rep crowns have this and it makes be stick with them). Also, it would be cool if we could get that genuine washered look. Hell - if you make the new ones like this - I bet many would be willing to pay for that upgrade. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre V Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Please do manufacture more crowns please T! 0.9mm stem is a great addition for those who need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 0.9mm stem size is noticed more polished???? Why???? Some people told me that the T48 looks to much polished and now the people ask for more polished??? CG???.... no problem... but i need a D3 drawings... nobody is willing to work on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminvanbuuren Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 cg and even pre-v cases if u can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuan Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 umm... judging by the demand of the crowns, i'll say go for it. I don't think the 4 months wait is too much of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmcsherry Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 0.9mm stem size is noticed more polished???? Why???? Some people told me that the T48 looks to much polished and now the people ask for more polished??? CG???.... no problem... but i need a D3 drawings... nobody is willing to work on this If I had a gen CG in front of me, I'd give the CAD a go - I'm still learning Solid Edge, but something like a CG seems quite straight-forwards?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasingrabbits Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Yes please make more especially in the .9mm size. I would have bought some this time, but for the size not being available. Oh, and next euros only. Keep up the great work. Hey someone get those drawings to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 0.9mm stem size is ok in SS? or we need the 0.9mm in Titanium and PVD too? I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewing Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 0.9mm stem size is ok in SS? or we need the 0.9mm in Titanium and PVD too? I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbiz Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I vote for adjusting the bevel edge to be less rounded... I've had a lot of Gen CGs and they vary greatly depending on the series etc. My favorites are always the ones with the lightest bevel... It makes the Crown appear thicker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 i think the polish procedure is made in connection with a galvanic bath. micron-parts of the steel-crown will be degraded. that's why the crown-teeth profile and bevel are rounded. the palp cown is not polished by a galvanic process. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted May 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I could produce the crowns without polishing... but would this be better? I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 titanium and pvd are not polished and looks much better. but.......all have a too much bevel. i think in the crown-fabrication they cannot control the precision of the bevel. that's a chinese manufacturer. and the galvanic process makes all edges and the bevel extreme rounded. that's a very big minus-point. and another point is, the teeth are too pointed, better it would be a light flattening, not sharp-edged. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 here you can see the crown of the new pam028 release 2009. the bevel is very small. this kind of crown style is what i prefer, and not with rounded bevel and edges. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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