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First of all a big thanks to Toro Bravo for a lightning fast delivery and smooth transaction. You can't go wrong with him and he is definitely on his way to being one of the best dealers throughout the boards. So here it is guys. My review and opinion on the new p3000 clone. I will not go into the watch itself because member Ale has done some very extensive research and has aded all the info to his 'panerai bible' so look it up. I will start with a short 'management summary' before I continue to the pictures. This movement is not based on an existing movement. It has 2 barrels and the movement design mimics the genuine p3000 design. It is however completely different. Genuine parts are absolutely not interchangeable. I have never taken apart a genuine p3000 so I can only go by internet pictures. If I would have to set my money on a manufacturer of the p3000 clone it would be the factory that produces the IWC Jones movement. In terms of finishing and design I get the same vibe. Besides both barrels the movement was oiled properly and clean. Parts were finished well according to rep standards. Some plating issues here and there and discolouration of metal. But when dealing with Chinese movements this is normal and it does not affect long term reliability. The p3000 clone was easy to take apart and is absolutely serviceable. Getting it back together is a different story. The gear train is extremely wobbly and the gear train plate very difficult to assemble. You need a special tweezer in order to reach all the gears and align them properly with the jewels. It was perhaps the hardest bridge I have ever had to install. Especially because spare parts are non existent. So if you break one little pivot say bye bye to the movement. Also because most jewel holes lay very deep it is almost impossible to see what you are doing when oiling them. Even with a 10x loupe you are almost working in the dark... But when finished this movement runs like a champ and I see no reason why it would be any less reliable than an 6497. I think this p3000 clone is on par. I can not yet comment of the power reserve as I immediately torn the movement apart to review but I suspect it will reach those 72h without a problem. The details: When I first saw the p3000 when it came out a couple of weeks ago I was very excited. The p9000 clones could not get my motor started as they did not clone any of it's functions. Only the aesthetics was looked after with some decorative plates. A pig in a dress or whatever you want to call it. But this new p3000 clone however was a whole different story. I could clearly see this was not based an existing movement (e.g. 7750/ 6497/2824 etc). So I did not hesitate and ordered one right away to review... Upon arrival I could not take my eyes from the back. The movement just looks gorgeous. Nice detail inside case back They even hid the ugly movement tabs underneath the pretty ones lol. Before taking the movement apart I put it on the timegrapher. It runs at 21.600 bph and the amplitude was ok but rate and beat were off. As this new movement has a free sprung balance (so I thought) I was a bit terrified as regulating it can be a b!tch. However upon closer inspection I noticed the rate stud hidden order the bridge. Thank god! That means the stellar screws on the balance are for show and this movement can be regulated like any other. Here you can see it more clearly with the decorative plate removed. An incabloc shock absorber which is also very reliable. Solid bridge and underside balance view. Clean "POL" engraving underneath the balance. No clue what it stands for. The oiled barrel jewels Look at the 3 layered dial!!!!!.... That will need a special canon pinion right? Huh?.. That is a deep hole. No special canon pinion but special hands. So forget replacing them.. Here you can see the base plate with the dial removed. Nicely finished and clean. No date option and a normal keyless which has some grease... Some part close ups.. Here is the barrel bridge removed. Nice and solid. The 2 barrels exposed The underside of the barrel bridge (I used foil with this movement as the brushed plates are prone to scratches) Barrel 1 (clean but not oiled) Barrel 2 (clean but not oiled) Here you can see both main springs. The barrel 2 mainspring is longer. Here is the gear train. Completely different than the gen p3000 with a aded pinion to transfer the power to the top of the movement: the canon pinion (= minute wheel) The pinion I'm talking about Other parts are also well finished Final shot on the timegrapher taken a hour ago after full service and regulation. Performing like a gen ... Here is a genuine p3000 (pictures from Google search) and you can see the similarities and differences in bridges and gears. Well that was all folks. Hope you liked the review. Based on my findings I would say the watch is definitely worth the extra $100. Although not a 100% the same in appearance and function as the p3000 it comes very close. Maybe the closest we will ever see? It is a reliable movement and it will give you that extra dimension of a genuine feeling. I'm still testing it so unfortunately I can not yet comment on the power reserve whether it actually is 72h. But I think it will come close. Tanks for reading Mark

5513 today

Pre game workout in my 1016. Go Hawks[emoji458][emoji458][emoji458] Sent from my droptop using telepathy.

5513 again

having recently bought a watch from this forum, it arrived this week. sadly the crown will not screw down and stay down, just about catches then pops. Assume and hope that the crown has stripped and not the tube. I removed the stem and crown and broke it all down but its hard to tell which has stripped. more likely to be the crown i assume though. Anyway , had a look on ebay and there are a few available but wanted to ask your advice, its a 21J watch i believe, so i can retain the stem and tube hopefully, any recommendations where to source a good rep 5.3mm crown though? I would sent to my friend RA but he currently has my 5512 for some work, so believe it will be some time before i can get this 1675 fixed and really want to wear it. the seller has offered some money towards the repair, so keen to keep costs low if i can having already spent a lot on this watch which was a nice to have and wasn't really budgeted for! haha thanks in advance.

A Francken Muller!

Come on let's make this happen, I'm sure Kermit has gotten tired and left already he may have actually come back as someone afraid of getting ass raped him in Ireland Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Nothing is better than buying a rep from a local dealer. Im lucky not living near one though cos i'd spend my entire saving on reps if i were. The quality of those noob explorer II is getting more and more scarily high eh!

Nice pieces

Hardcore 7928 PCGS vintage love... an all gen parts build that I picked up this past week from an esteemed member...

Ken! You said you wouldn't tell anyone!!!

Just some points to remember.... RWG... Seller must use actual pic's of the watch Seller must give buyer QC pic's, Seller must take all customs risk, Seller must accept returns of faulty items Seller most likely has had numerous PP disputes and scams costing a lot of money. Seller must also offer good after sales service. Off site... Give me your money I send a watch...end of story. Ken

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I wouldn't be surprised if that explorer turns out to be the same thing everyone's favorite ripoff crew is selling for $400+. Prices have gotten absolutely ridiculous lately, a simple three-hand Chinese fake with clone movement costs more than a gen Hamilton. Heck, a modded one with some gen parts often costs more than a used gen, especially for some lower-end models. As for the "but a gen costs 10x, 20x, 30x, etc" argument, it makes no difference whatsoever - you're still getting a Chinese fake that's no better than a cheap Invicta, regardless of the name on the dial. $250 or so for a functional rep is fine, since that's what a fancy-looking Chinese auto invicta or something along those lines would cost, but over $400 is just plain ridiculous. PS: is anyone really naive enough to think our "dealers" buy $50,000 watches and destroy them during replication process?

Op is looking to get raped IMO. To be sure you get what you want buy 2 TC subs and put 1 on each wrist. Your activities will keep them wound

1016 today on a Cordura strap

Just checking how a black insert will look on my 1675. Imho, it looks good.

Gotta be worth a try just to see what we get, I haven't ordered as yet it's been a busy week for me but I will get a couple on the go just to see, hey if nothing else we will appreciate our 'expensive reps' even more afterward