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Legend as usual has some very well thought out and sage advice. We all need to be reminded of the fact that there are some "wolves in sheep's clothing" about. We who have been around a while have seen a fair number of scammers come and go, some of them have been slick enough to hang around, make a few good trades, post in several forums and generally try to achieve that "trusted, good guy" mantra.Unfortunately, these are hard to detect, usually their true motives are only discovered after several members have been scammed. Of course the most difficult and most disheartening is the long term member who has built a solid reputation over several years, and suddenly "goes rogue" Of times these guys hook quite a few members before they are finally stopped. The easiest of course is a newer member who comes on the forum, has few posts and makes almost no contribution to the board. These sellers are usually looking to make a fast hit ansd disappear, so the list several watches for sale at very reasonable prices, members bite, and the seller gets the funds and disappears. Remember, no matter if you use PayPal gift or regular PayPal, the seller is probably going to get the money, as he will transfer it out of PayPal as soon as it hits, difference is with regular PayPal, you have recourse through PayPal. To answer some of w4tch3r's concerns, I believe that most of what legend was referring to in regards to sales involved M2M sales, not dealer sales. We are fairly confident that the TD's are not going to scam you, although in the past a few have, but it's rare that that happens. Here are a few things that I look for when dealing with a prospective seller/buyer. First off is the person a paying member? to me buying a membership in the forum, let's me know that you have a vested interest in the forum, while this isn't an ironclad rule, as I know that there are a fair number of long time members who are regular and frequent contributors to the forum knowledge base, who are not paying members. Second, is not so much the post count, but what you say in the posts. Are you making a legitimate contribution to the forum, not only by adding to the knowledge, but also asking solid well thought out questions. I disagree about members telling noobs to "Use the search function". Sure we do, but only when the person asks vague questions that are difficult to answer and or have been asked a million times, such as the famous, "who has the best sub"? Most all of us can remember back when we were noobs as well. Everyone starts from scratch at everything they do, be it a new job, college, learning a new sport or a new hobby. and don't think that it's just noobs that get taken to task for asking questions. I'm probably one of the most senior members here, joined on about the second or third day after this forum started, when a bunch of us came over here from the old TRC which was unfortunately dying a slow and agonizing death. So I've been here a while. A couple of years ago, I was a brand new noob in the AP forum, trying to find out as much info about AP watches as possible so that I could make a semi intelligent decision about ordering one. Well, one of the guys who happens to be and infrequent visitor here happed to read my thread, and basically tore me a new one for asking such a stupid question and not using the search function. I believe that this fellow was having a bad day, coupled with the fact that he spends most of his time on another forum that is not nearly as friendly as this one. My point is, you can get excoriated by someone who had a bad night, just had a fight with his wife, boss, girlfriend, whatever! So my advice to you would be, heed the advice of those guys who posted above me, ask questions, join the conversations, buy a membership, even a month to month VIP is a possibility, and you will be pleasantly surprised at how soon you will graduate out of your "noobship" and be just a regular guy. And by all means, if you make deals in the sales forum, leave feedback, and ask the other party to leave feedback for you. this isn't just limited to sales either, if you have a watch repaired by a member/watchsmith, and you are satisfied with his job, by all means leave feedback. If another member does a good deed for you, sends you a needed part, and refuses payment or a nominal payment to cover postage, please reward him with a positive feedback. We are very big on "paying it forward" on this forum and that's a big reason why this is a great community.

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Gen Speedy today...

When I prototyped a White 6601 rep it seems that a lot of folks were turned off by my generic beat-up SS bracelet. Our own mcotter felt sorry enough for me to brew up a nice vintage looking strap to put on it. Probably most of you know that I'm not the biggest fan of straps but I have to admit this looks right at home on it and I think the watch and strap "work and play well" together! Thanks to Mike's craftsmanship I think this now looks more the part and I'm glad convinced me to give it a try.

You mustn't be enticed by such comments A, it's bad for your health. Now grab a beer, and play with some of your extensive AP collection, that should reduce the blood boil into a gentle simmer! I trust you're well! OP I hope you wear that beauty!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He will, he already said he would...

Well like ssteel said, photos and parts list would be helpful. Seems like the issue could be a lot of things but we are in the dark without more details/pics. If you cant muster that, then you are on your own. The issue could include one or more of the below (assuming we are talking about gen construction 16610 sub): The crystal gasket is too thick thereby expanding the retaining ring such that there is too much friction against the bezelThe bezel is bent due to inproper installationThe retaining ring could also be damaged/bentThe crystal diameter is too wide thereby expanding the gasket too much and thus creating problem already explained in point #1The retaining ring and bezel are not compatible with each other (if you matched a retaining ring from one manufacturer with a bezel from another, very good chance they will not mate properly)something else I am too tired to think about right now

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@Hetlijk2 ---- You do need to return the watch first. One thing you can count on is that Toro is trustworthy and will refund you.

I am still too lazy to change the date.

I have a cartel 1675 which I believe is the same caseback as the 5513/12 and I just installed a Raffles caseback onto it.

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Rick, The lollipop refers to the seconds hand which has a bigger luminous circle. The only Tudor dials I am familiar with are the Rose dial such as the one pictured below, and the later dials with the Tudor shield. I am no Tudor expert, so possibly Bly there were others, but these are the only ones I'm familiar with..Here is a "big crown" Tudor with a "lollipop" seconds hand. Now proudly owned and worn by mjmj. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Hi and welcome. A significant part of the build will be the research and to decide what You will go for spec and budgetwise. Really the simplest is to follow builds You like 1:1 exactly because they have been done, before, parts are probably available and they fit. The nice thing about the Cartel Tudor and 5512s is the approx. 26mm dial size, the metal retaining ring for the crystal/plexi and that it will take a 2840 lowbeat ETA as a direct swap form the DG 2813 versions. If the 2824-2 is appropriate You will decide. With these You can try around with inserts as well. If changing the crown or improving lugholes drilling is needed. Crown and crownguards normally too stubby and fat/short. Supermirrors will get You any Cartel watch, You can look at the models on Trustys or Perfect Clones website, those will be the Cartel. Reliability-wise I consider them to be fine watches even in the most basic versions. My decision was to start very low budget for training, disregarding accurate looks for now, this is what You get: Completely stock in pic 1, small changes in the others

Wait 6 months to a year you can get it from Joma cheaper they have just about every Tudor on sale there. here take a look, Oh and payments like 240 a month for BB! Very dangerous.................. http://www.jomashop.com/tudor-watches.html

Great comparison, thanks for showing us. I would be able to tell a rep from gen now by looking at the 12 & 6 o'clock numerals where they join each other. Notice on the gen they are joint just at the bottom but on the rep the numeral joint extends further up.

Hello, I'm thinking about buying the Navitimer 01. Which rep. model should I go for? http://www.torobravo2015.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_29&product_id=1049 Is there a more accurate model then that for example?