Well we knew this would happen when they were desribed as Eta 2813, and asian eta by the sellers, I would be happy with the clone just as i am more than happy with seagull ST18, a clone of the 2892, although a little less dodgy, if i know who was selling the clone movement wholesale i would be tempted to get a couple, i have a project in mind and my first choice is the ST18, never even crossed my mind to get an ETA for it and it wont. I think the problem with the clone is not one of manufature but of QC same with all our problems. These will never get the same QC as a ligitimatly bought movement as they all go out the back door and no one is looking for a QC stamp, but buy an ST18 from cousins for a little less than and ETA 2824 and you have some gaurentee. Same if cousins could get the 2824 clone.