How can you tell when SHOPNBC host and Invicta talking heads are lying? When there lips are moving. I consider that show a Insult to watch enthusiast. No offense Rob,there was a time that I hung on there every word. I started to do some research and that was the end of that. Invictas are made in China,make no mistake. They put a Swiss movement in these things and call them "Swiss Made",they are not. There a ok watch for the money but they are not a fine Swiss made timepiece. Most of the members here know more about the world of horology than those clows at SHOPNBC,remember there sales people. Nothing wrong with Selitta 200/500 movements. Maybe no ETA but a fine Swiss made movement none the less. Mike