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just a thought .. but what if dealers could set repair work of minor defects (as TJ alluded to) in different regions.. such as misaligned DW,.. keyless works .. loose hands .. or to swap movements if it were defective.. such a network would bode well for the cost of shipping and return .. if you had someone in the US or EU .. you may already have this functioning .. but it's just a thought since the cost of shipping these items and the turn around is both quite consuming. L

just a thought .. but what if dealers could set repair work of minor defects (as TJ alluded to) in different regions.. such as misaligned DW,.. keyless works .. loose hands .. or to swap movements if it were defective.. such a network would bode well for the cost of shipping and return .. if you had someone in the US or EU .. you may already have this functioning .. but it's just a thought since the cost of shipping these items and the turn around is both quite consuming. L

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For more discussion.. I am not attempting to be "right" .. if the items in question were not "contraband" then "it" would not be listed as such with Customs.. granted they (thankfully) don't take it as seriously as some Countries but the fact remains that it is contraband.. play this out .. your rep. is confiscated for copy right infringement.. you litigate.. and the "burden of proof" is on you.. would you bet against the fact that the powers that be would find in your favour ?? why do customs officials call the reps. 'counterfeit' ?? if in fact it is not.. misdemeanor or felony it still has not been in the books as "legal" .. and if possession is by a large percentage of the law your personal property are you not breaking the law?? for the sake of discussion .. would you (to prove a point) take a rep into an AD ... have it confiscated and pursue your point ?? Unless your willing to do this the topic seems moot. I used currency as a example, not to put it in the same category as our watches.. my crux and point is .. don't wear your rep into an AD.. conversely it is 'extreme and assinine ..imo.. for a sales associate to take 'your' property ... but "you" took the chance of that happening by taking it on property.. no ??? It would seem like you would 'win' the personal property argument, to only further promote the somewhat questionable right to own and wear a counterfeited article. And finally (for now...hehe) would you post a pic of one of your frankens on TZ ?? it's not illegal ...so common sense rains.. good discussion btw.. AC lani

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. that's the "Vintage Red" that I mentioned I have but need to pull out of storage.. I'll get it and add pics later today.. these are smaller watches .. not like the Speedy Moon.. AC L

For the sake of debate TJ.... I believe the item in question is by all accounts 'counterfeited' therefore making it not only illegal but misrepresenting the very brands that the AD's are "authorized" to "protect" ... I am sure the Corporate entities that govern these policies have directed the representatives of their brands to dispense with any items that "misrepresent" their own.. I think the fact that the watch is illegally manufactured, and is considered contraband in most Country's would take precedent over the fact that it is personal property of any person walking into an AD. I would equate it to walking into a Bank with a counterfeit bill and having it confiscated .. In other words the "Crime has already been perpetrated when the counterfeit was made,.. and was compounded when it was "sold".. weather knowingly or unknowingly it was sold to "represent" the genuine article. imo.. there is just black and white in this scenario.. no gray area AC L

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fossil

me thinks the main point of this topic is being missed especially if someone were to just register here and starts with this thread Now all this talk of what could happen legally this way or that, is pretty much in vain.. and to me is just rhetoric .. because the reality is that out hobby is believe it or not illegal (what a concept huh ?) ... regardless of prospective "rights", or State Law (if in fact each State is autonomous) because the last I checked in the USA Federal laws run parallel across the 50 States ... and if anyone is going to be lame enough to walk into an AD wearing a rep , no matter how good it "represents" the real deal, he or she should be embarrassed by any action taken against them... Yes we can talk for day's regarding "Brand infringement" and the pro's and con's of the commissioned associates behind the counter.. but the bottom line is no one should bring unwarranted attention to themselves by wearing a replication or "fake" into an AD !!! Thus showing off their lack of intelligence.. there is a lot of "talk" that we wear our reps for "ourselves" meaning for our own enjoyment and not anyone's idealistic reasoning for materialistic thought's. If that is the case then leave your rep in the car.. If and when I enter an AD,.. weather it be to view a genuine for comparison (how many times do 'we' do this), or if I am really interested in shopping for a gen. ... then I will wear a genuine... or before I had brand name genuines I would not wear anything. And on the topic of sales people.... they are "working" and trying to make a living just like you and I ... some have families that depend on their "working" .. and retail being what it is today.. what makes us think that these people don't depend on "keeping" their jobs and they may have arseholes as bosses.. who are very aware of the rep biz... AD's here don't give out brochures anymore .. and will tell you point blank.. 'because of counterfeiters'.. I spend my money where it is appreciated.. I stay away from the stores where the "attitude" supersedes the service... because most of the high end buyer's are form overseas here.. I feel more comfortable when the sales people are "local" and treat me like they would anyone else. My point is, don't go looking for a fight when one can be avoided.. common sense should be the standard and not the exception !! AC Lani

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great art work Harley.. looks like a keeper fo sure .. Live Strong and Wear it Well Lani

you need to go with 22.. Nato or leather unless your ordering genuine..

No worries M.. I think what I should do is post in each brand section instead.. keep it simple.. L

Thanks guy's but I'm trying to keep this simple for me so I can keep it a bit organized ... I would like to go down the list of brands starting with the AP's.. otherwise it becomes a cluster-F**k of voting.. .. we're not voting for the best rep ... I'm trying to compile a thread to give the Noobs a look at which reps to look at.. inspired by Oren's 1000 questions.. thanks L

.. that's the second time I brain farted with that error.. in one year.. hope I can remember.. L

NO to show the true colour I need to take it out in the direct sun.. indirect light bounces off the metal and lightens the colour.. but take a look at this..the Tantalium is oxidized where the Ti is on the case.. Some other dealers peddled Ti when all that was Ti was the pushers on the tantalium chrono.. but Joshua's has always been the real deal. AC Lani

I'll join Bytor and Carl for Tuesday with another genuine GMT II

these are all reps.. and very well done btw.. the gator is HKtan L

the older vintage models Omega Speedy Moon watch circa 1970's can be had for around 1700 to 1900 but you would have to appreciate the vintage lines.. AC L

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