TeeJay

Wish I was here...

A most eloquent expression of precisely what is wrong with the rioters - "dirty f€%king thieves, ya know".

How about this for an idea to make a change - instead of stealing shoes and plasma TVs, how about knuckling down, getting an education and getting into the places where these decisions are made and making an ACTUAL difference, if they so believe they are being hard done by...

No... This type of effort is beyond the grasp of most of those slack-jaws.

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Ok, I will be the guinea pig for the group! Let's see what these guys deliver...

I think it's great to see someone trying a new source, as who knows, they may come up with the goods:) Best of luck with your purchase

Thanks Jkay, you are always to my rescue and I thank you very much, but in this instance, I can't find the gioarmani's tutorial!

As mentioned, this is all that is involved with this mod

Rub white paint into the insert and wipe off the excess.

It's as simple as that

I miss not having these two about anymore...

I miss being able to wear this one:

Thanks. She just got her makeup refreshed

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All it needs now is some wide spoilers, some flames up the sides, and some Chip Foose wheels

Only joshing, that really is a fine automobile

Sorry TeeJay, but if we wanna get technical, the children of immigrants are citizens and unlike many of their parents, often have full rights as any citizen would be.

In the film The Godfather, Vito Corleone was an immigrant. His son, Michael (played by Al Pacino) is not remembered or ever thought of in our minds as an "immigrant".

What indeed, IS interesting, is the connotation the word "immigrant" has.

From a sociological standpoint i think you make a very valid point about immigrant families, but children born to immigrant parents aren't immigrants.

Sorry for the late reply, bro, I would've responded last night, but I was ordered to turn the computer off for making too much noise

SubbiesRock has already said pretty much everything I would have said in response to that clarification, but I will add that it's a relatively moot point if the children of immigrants are citizens or immigrants, simple because they are still part of that Immigrant Community, and due to either non-acceptance by indigenous native-born, or lack of assimilation due to parental/community influences, they can still lack cultural integration, and maintain their own cultural identity. They also still provide statistics/faces on the street to change the ethnic demographic of that host country, which was the point I was raising about the predicted change of demographics in London

I'm a religious man, not deeply in the sense that I pray often or attend church every week, but i do believe in God and more importantly I believe the world would be a far better place if everyone was to focus on the message of peace and goodwill that is the basis of all religions.

So anyway today after a long absence my family did in fact attend church, my wife just walked away from her 3rd total car write off accident and felt it was time to give thanks, interestingly the ministers message in today church paper was about these very riots.

Although it is probably very wishful thinking that everyone will 'Find God' again to fix society (as the minister hoped) I do agree with his belief that the moral decay behind these riots can be suppressed, for a time, by draconian methods that governments might choose to implement they wont eradicate them.

I personally believe that parents need to take more responsibility for what is happening in todays society and teach their children by example, I know when I was younger the kids of my generation had both a strong sense of right from wrong as well as the ability to show respect to others and their possessions.

My friends and I din't vandalize nor rob for 3 main reasons (1) The knowledge that it was wrong (2) A healthy respect for law enforcement (3) The shame it would bring upon our family. Of the three I think it was a loss of respect from our parents that we would have dreaded most.

It's the same for these gangs bashing defenseless people, my father always told me there was 3 marks of a coward (1) To use a weapon (2) To kick someone who was down (3) To fight as part of a gang.

A real man will always fight one on one with his fists only and his aim is to best his opponent not kill him.

The unfortunate reality is that many who scream the loudest for their governments to fix these problems are in fact parents of those who are part of the problem.

Ken

Absolutely spot on

Culture, my friends. It all comes down to the morals (or lack thereof) that get passed down from parent to child within a given culture.

Cultures that teach The Golden Rule & uphold the rule of law tend to be more successful & less violent than those that lionize rapsterism (the beat that moves gangsterism) & its concomitant criminality. Compare, for example, Israel, which has the largest number of guns per capita of any nation, but 1 of the lowest rates of (peace-time) gun-related crime; to the US, which has far fewer guns per capita, but far more gun-related violence. And, to take it a step further, democracies tend not attack each other, while autocracies & theocracies often do.

I had an enlightening conversation today with a gentleman who emigrated to California from Mexico in 1970. He twice referenced 'his country' [Mexico], which immediately struck me as odd for someone who has been living in the US for over 30 years! When I asked him about this, he said he is 'still Mexican'. This stands in stark contrast to the millions of Asian & European immigrants who come to the us primarily to 'be Americans'. And much the same is occurring with many so-called asylum seekers entering the UK & other parts of the EU.

Something has definitely changed & it does not bode well for long-term homogeneity.

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In recent years, indigenous Londoners have been exiting the city in droves due to the decreasing quality of life that accompanied increasing numbers of asylum seekers & those habitually on the dole. The next step, the death knell for any city, is when sections of these takers begin to outnumber their well-intentioned (& willfully ignorant) givers & the takers begin to gain political control. Londoners need only look to Detroit to see what that leads to.

About 9 years ago, it was predicted that by 2010, white British-Born people would become an ethnic minority in London, representing the first time in recorded history where an indigenous population (well, as close to indigenous as can be reasonably agreed upon) has become a minority in their own country, without also suffering invasion or war. At the time, anyone who commented upon that prediction was accused of 'being racist', rather than dealing with the issues the prediction represented. It is now 2011, and while I don't have access to the statistics on London's current ethnic melting pot (and too lazy to Google them) from my last trips through the city, I would certainly say that if that prediction is not true already, it certainly will be within five years: London is an extremely cosmopolitan and multi-cultural city.

What exactly is so funny about my conclusions? Are they surprising to you? Actually, about 1 year of research on my part. Most data and economic outlooks are projected by independent sources such as universities. In my case specifically, the data that I base my conclusions on is gathered and collected by the Lawrence R. Klein Institute at the Universidad Autónoma de Madrid. Immigrant statistics are easily obtained through Eurostat and the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). Any information you'd like on the subject i'd be happy to share.

The only pertinent data that the general public usually has knowledge of is the size of immigrant populations and their rate of growth (at best). The most obvious way that people reach conclusions about immigrants is using the information they already know (immigrant population increases) and correlating that information to the current general economic trends. Thus when economies are good.. immigrants are BOOMING (3 to 5 times more immigrants flowing into destination countries) but no one talks about immigration since everyone is doing well. When economies are bad, generally speaking we see abrupt falloffs of immigrant populations even before countries even release quarterly reports on the slowing of economic growth etc. Thus.. immigrants generally realize there are no jobs before the government even knows it. Yet.. once the economy has slowed, heavy attention is placed on immigrant populations even though by the time this has happened, most immigrants waves have already slowed massively.

For example, here in spain, Immigration is a huge issue currently, even though, we're receiving 200% less immigrants per day than we were 7 years ago (when immigration wasn't an "issue" in the media and politics).

In addition to the rate of immigrants arriving through the borders, one must also take into account the birth rates amongst immigrant populations. In cultures where large families are common, there is a higher birthrate than other cultures. As I said before, bro, if you were to see the town I now live in, I think you would be surprised at just how many Eastern European immigrants there are, especially compared to the smaller number that was here when I first moved to the area 7 years ago. At one point, there was a lot of Polish immigrants working in town (and they were working, not sponging off the government) but once the economy nosedived 2 years ago, lo and behold, they all left to return to Poland... Now, if that's not a sign of economically-driven migration, I don't know what is Something else which needs to be remembered, is government statistics cannot be trusted as accurate. Within the past few years, the British government has effectively owned up to not knowing precisely how many immigrants came through the borders in a year Something else which is rather disturbing, is reading the weekly Court Register in the paper. While Eastern Europeans don't make up a majority culture in town, they do make up almost half of all the court listings, which to me, just shows a lack of respect for their host country

You guys need some of these.

Oh to have 2nd Amendment rights

Sorry for whole quote, but this excellent post would lose it's context if i edited it, so i bolded the parts i'm referring to...

This is the sentiment held by 'born here' Australians. I agree with it. The educated left argue that this is a sentiment only held by the uneducated. But in my own personal experience i know this to be fact. The aggressive irony of those new Australians who come here with nothing... who came here because there was very little to attain in their original country... who came here because of the opportunities that that good Aussie "hard yakka" (working hard) presents... yet expect more entitlements than citizens - is astounding.

The thing is, i am also well educated. Does it make me uneducated by default because i personally know successful Filipino business owners who collect the dole (welfare) here but operate their businesses back home? I also personally know two elderly Englishmen who recieve aged welfare payments from both the Australian and UK governments. I personally know an entire family of Chinese who own a 'wildest dreams' mansion here in Aus that sits empty for 9 months of the year but they still manage to rort our system. They collect welfare here yet operate a very successful business out of Hong Kong. I know a person of Greek heritage who escaped a prison sentence here for a pretty nasty crime by fleeing back to greece even though it meant he would have to do National service there (the reason he came to aus in the first place). I know Lebonese australians who portend to hate australia and other Australians (not just white people), yet love their free government payments. I know Malaysian immigrants who won't mingle or even work with non-muslims because of their beliefs. if i thought a little harder about it, i'm sure i could come up with many more example from my own circle of friends just like these examples.

It's a land of opportunity alright. We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil but who's toiling it and who's reaping the rewards of that toil?

I also know people from just about every heritage on the planet, including those mentioned above who are honest, and love the country and are assimilated perfectly. We are an entire nation of immigrants - just ask someone from any of the 600ish cultures of Australian indigenous. It's complex.

The situation here in Aus is quite worriesome. Our future will be highly complex. An ideal solution (that would maintain our very high standard of living and quality of life), while remaining culturally sound (and I mean culturally sound from any perspective) is highly unlikely. One thing is for sure - we do need to raise the population for the benefit of all Australians present and future. this, i believe is the fundamental complexity of the immigrant problem/solution.

An even bigger irony, one that the educated do have correct (providing they are actually intelligent), is that any argument, facts, examples and theory like the above, can be dissected and disagreed with a counter argument, facts, examples and theory. Yet both perspectives could be seen as correct.

My opinion is that it's such a complex problem that it needs a simple solution. A line in the sand - an abitrary point put into policy and law from which to go forward from. The greatest good for the greatest number - yes i know how that sounds to people who allign themselves with either end of the spectrum.

I'll suggest the first step in the process. We need to boot that bloody ginger moron out as quick as we can. We dont need to add global laughing stock to our current list of tricky problems.

You've made some very interesting points, and I agree entirely, especially with the section I have boldened. If there is specific policy, then it can then be adhered to

Good read guys. Been enjoying this very civilized debate As an immigrant alien in the USA working under a work visa, it's quite fascinating seeing how things are dealt with from a sort of "outside" perspective.

I do say that I would have to disagree with sempire's comment about the three types of immigrants. Being in Los Angeles where illegal immigrants are quite rampant here, I must say I don't think any of them are just here to "take". They come to work. Period. They can make more money working here and send it home to their families in Mexico, Central & South America.

Likewise, even though this debate was not what I intended when I first posted about the riots, I am extremely gratified to see that people have been able to discuss the issues without any offensiveness or hurt feeling The situation you describe with the LA situation, reminds me of the Polish immigrants (who have now left) as they were working crazy hours then living like peasants so they could send the majority of their money back to Poland, which was a bad thing, as it wasn't pumping that money back into the local economy...

I think you are right about those illegals from Mexico and South America in the US. they seems to be having a different issue in Europe.

The illegals in the US seem to be hard workers and always sending money back home.

In Europe it seems like they move somewhere and try to stay true to their homeland. I remember hearing once that most immigrants in Europe that have no intention of assimilating just move into their own community over there and it's gotten so bad that the government doesn't bother with them. I heard there are places in Germany that are just villages filled with immigrants that are off the government radar. They even have their own community funded services and banking that have nothing to do with the government or outside world.

I find in Canada it is different. I have know a lot of illegals. Here they come from place like Sri Lanka, work under the table at restaurants as kitchen staff and bus boys.. And the kicker.. They buy used bmws and fake gold rolexes to impress each other and people back home.

I was at my shop a few months ago, and this Indian guy called, he just moved to the country a few days ago and was calling to see if the shop owner can find him a BMW for around $1000. When you call back home you tell them you got a BMW and you live downtown... You don't tell them it's a 30 year old BMW and you live with 6 guys in a 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto..

Sounds positively :group:

Officially, this

That's the look I'm going to be going for with mine when I can start the build I would ask how you treated the bezel insert to get that effect, but I know that that is naturally aged

I don't like to wear an 'expensive' watch to work, so I wear my homages. I've got an Orient Snorkeler (Submariner homage) on NATO straps that I switch out and a Rotary Chronospeed (Navitimer homage). Also have on the way a Tao homage of the IWC Yacht Club. On Saturdays I wear my gen Tudor Heritage to work since nobody recognizes Tudor except for some of my european customers, and I don't mind showing off a little to them.

Can't wait to get one of those straps for my Heritage

It's not about disallowing immigration, it's about getting the right immigrants and keeping your eye all of them for a period of time.

I remember reading that if you're allowed to immigrate to Australia and you're not high on the list of skilled immigrants that they want, they could tell you where you have to live, and for how long.

In Canada, everyone immigrates to Toronto and then they find it's very expensive and could be hard finding jobs. Meanwhile other places in Canada are dying for immigrates, are cheaper to live, and have jobs.

A lot of people are all about easy money and easy live, they want it the fast way.

When the older generation came try wanted to make something of themselves, the kids now want it all handed to them because they believe they deserve it.

And that is precisely the issue we saw with the riots...

It used to be this one...

But since its acquisition, I think it's safer to consider this one my True Beater (for now):

I think the issue is that there are so many facets to immigration, it is all to easy for them to become blurred in discussion. I agree, it is mainly a political issue for the parties to bat around, and I quite agree about immigrants not necessarily being a strain on communities. Here in the UK, there are many businesses owned by Indian and Pakistani families, and they are run with a work ethic which puts sections of British society to shame, namely, the benefit scroungers who not only don't work, but are outright unwilling to work. I think the problem there, is when there are families where several generations have not had to work but survived on handouts, there is no incentive for the younger generations [of that same family] to think differently about work, and that is very wrong. However, to say that there is no economic grounds to the claim that immigrants 'take jobs', you really ought to see the area I live in, bro... Plenty of Eastern Europeans working in the factories, produce gathering, bar work etc, all jobs which could be given to the above-mentioned unemployed. Personally, I would love to move to America. I nearly did eight years ago, but circumstances changed and plans fell through, but if the opportunity to move to America to tattoo ever came up where I could also bring my wife, I would jump at the chance I think the issue with the asylum seekers, is that the UK is not getting any from France, Holland, Iceland or Ireland, so all those coming from Arab nations and elsewhere, simply do not meet the criteria of 'asylum seekers', and having to keep them in the UK while their status is determined (Australia would just deport them) is a drain on resources. Overall, the UK is just a mess, and I just wish I was in the situation to be able to not live here anymore... I guess all I can do is keep networking, keep practicing, and make sure that tattooing becomes successful enough for me that I can make some much needed changes in my life

My First rep was this EuroFakes Submariner, which cost me about $800.

The 'why', is that I'd tried on a gen Sub, and was not impressed enough by the feel of the watch on my wrist to justify the price tag, so I started looking for reps, and that was what I found. I sold it a couple of years back to help fund my wedding, and the buyer confirmed that it really did have a Swiss movement in it My current favorite... That's a hard question... My rebuilt collection revolves around the seasons and occasions/wardrobe, in that I have a DateJust which I wear with suits, a 1655 Explorer II on a custom leather cuff, which I wear more in the winter, and with more casual clothes like T-shirts, and I have a self-built Tudor Submariner on a Tropic-style strap which is my 'summer watch' (not wearing it at the mo as the keeper on the strap is on the verge of ripping ) My overall beater, is the Tudor Heritage which I'm wearing now. It's a bit big to really wear with a suit and expect to look formal, but it goes well with all other casual clothes, and when the weather gets hot, the NATO strap goes great with it If I really had to choose a favorite, and I'm sure this won't go down well with some, it would probably be my black plastic Submariner, which is simply the combination of a cheap fashion sub, with a modified Rolex dial. I say it's my favorite, because it cheers me up every time I wear it

Welcome to the party, and best of luck with your future purchases

Some news:

There is a strong call for those looters arrested and living in public housing to have their rights to housing revoked.

Those responsible need to have the book thrown at them.

Brilliant idea, they should definitely do that, but what the scum then bleat, is "If you cut my benefits, my child will starve..." so the pussy government lets them keep their benefits

After this, the clerics that wish to institute Islamic law in western democratic countries are next on the hitlist. There is no place for such lunacy in my opinion.

As above, if they don't want to live by the standards of the country which they are living in, they should be 'reminded' that they are always free to leave

They have a store like this in Crawley, in the UK, it looks very much like an Apple store. I went in to see about getting my iPhone fixed, and it wasn't until they said to take it to Apple, I realized that it was just a rip-off store

May I point out that this woman is a professional stripper.

ie She gets paid for exposing herself, but she's not getting paid for this, and will likely not see any money from any of the publicity this generates. If she'd posted the stuff up on her facebook account, then fine, but her accounts have obviously been 'taken into custody', so the nudes must've been hacked, so that makes it an invasion of privacy... This is a bit like having a good meal and then not tipping the server (ie attacking their income) If she didn't get paid for the pics, then she's no different to any number of girls who pose for nudes, but those girls likely don't expect them to attract world-wide attention Celebrities try and keep stuff like this out of the public eye, but she's not a celebrity. Or is she...? Will this make her famous? If it does, I hope she can use the cash to turn her life around. To be honest, I'll stick with my very first answer of 'sure, why not...", I'll just also stick with my feeling that I wouldn't want pics like this of my sister getting made public knowledge, call it an unanticipated attack of conscience

Teejay, since you bought one of those watches, I forgot to ask you, how is the bezel/crystal arrangement?

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In terms of accuracy to the gen? Absolutely no idea whatsoever The bezel rotates quite easily, without slipping or rotating of its own volition, and the case doesn't flood when it gets wet I've never wanted to take it apart to see what might be swappable, as I always found the factory issue satisfactory

Tiger reps made by the same company that made the gens?

Anyone?

As in same outsourced factories which provide parts for the gens also provide parts to the rep market? Wouldn't surprise me at all, although sadly, Tudors are still very limited in terms of which models are replicated... I guess there's just not as much demand for Tudor (in the mainstream rep market) as there is for Cousin Rolex

The Aussie Govt has attracted a lot of flak for their policies regarding refugee/asylum seekers. I'm not sure what the external image is, but believe me, it's a hot topic internally. A day barely goes by without a story of boat people or an attack by the Left over the Government's policies.

The issue is a real land mine. Neither political party mentions it, knowing full well that the parties have been and continue to do back door deals with our neighboring countries to curb the flow of boatpeople. Putting it rather bluntly, they cost a lot of money and provide an ongoing financial burden for very little, if any gain to the Australian Public. Australia takes thousands of migrants yearly who either come on skilled work visas or have some demonstrated some aptitude and are willing to work. This is the same for current citizens who are expected to pull their own weight, so to speak. I know from first-hand experience that the biggest welfare cheats are 1st generation migrants who maintain their 'hearts' in the old country.

Absolutely so, this goes back to the issue of if someone is a legitimate migrant working on a visa, someone who is genuinely seeking asylum, and those who are just trying to make a quick buck and dodging the system. As before, govenments keep a pretty tight grip on these discussions, by branding anyone who dares to think otherwise 'racist', and effectively sidestepping the issue itself. Personally, I think that is a dangerous tactic, as all the time people cannot express their opinions, they just become more and more frustrated, and more likely to become 'radicalized' in some manner, and that is where the real danger lies

The issue of people of particular faiths not adapting to their new environments is an interesting one. This idea of instituting Sharia'a law by an Islamist minority in England, a predominantly Anglo - Christian country for over a Millenium is beyond flagrant arrogance. Not that Britain and America's (and by proxy - Australia's) interventionist policies in the Middle East help the situation, but the sense of entitlement from these people, and the refugees who expect a coutry to which they have no national, cultural or religious ties, to open up their arms and welcome them for free and to support them financially as if they have some obligation to do so, is ludicrous. Then, they demand to institute their Barbaric, Banal Bronze-Age Belief systems as a replacement for the Rule of Law?

It was proposed in Australia (and I suspect elsewhere in the West) that Sharia'a Courts are established to deal with 'Muslim' matters.

What a joke.

Lots to think about here. I suspect Europe (and Britain ) have a lot on their plates presently, and these issues need to be nipped in the bud before the minority become a ruling majority.

Absolutely, sure, by all means maintain cultural traditions as much as feasible when emigrating, but there must also be willing assimilation into the new culture. Sure, I don't expect Muslims in the US or UK to be force-fed pork, but neither would I (nor should they) expect a country to adopt an entirely different set of customs and procedings. Sure, it would be nice to see Sharia law enforced on looters, I bet they'd've thought twice if they knew they were going to lose a hand when caught stealing But equally, if I really wanted to live by that guideline, I would move to Saudi Arabia (good for road surfing ) Personally speaking, I think people should be flexible enough in their outlook to adapt where possible, without having to compromise their core values, and those who can't do that, well, there's nothing to stop them leaving the country voluntarily

Just further to what subbie just said about the boat people and illegal immigration.

It is a little know fact that the major political parties are both playing this card to their own benefit.

I believe facts show that over 90% of our illegal immigrants actually fly in.

Ken

Then get cavity searched, sent home, and shown on Border Patrol

Excellent work

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Having thought about it, I wouldn't want someone posting pics like this of my sister online, or directing attention to anything which had found its way into the public domain... Sorry, Lee...

so how come no one has posted the nudes she took a week before she took off ?

spread-eagled & all ought to be fun

There're nudes???? :Jumpy: LINK!!!!! :Jumpy: