Victoria

Actually, one of the undercurrents of this thread, indeed about all discussion regarding religion, is the universality of certain beliefs. This is why, to people of small intellect, certain religious stories (or myths in their view) have the exact same attributes, convincing them that one religion is just a "rip off" of another. For example, Mariolatory is nothing new under the Sun. The veneration of the Virgin Mary follows the tradition of many belief-systems in history, where a woman is held as model-absolute to all. Hera was a Mother Goddess, so was Isis, so was Kwan Yin, Lakshmi, etc. etc. etc. Buddha is also believed to be a product of parthenogenesis, that is, the product of a mother's non-sexual intercourse. (If you leave it to the geniuses at Zeitgeist, they'll make the argument that Buddha and Jesus are the same person...) What does this mean? That humans have a primordial need to explain their human story in much the same way. We clearly also need to believe in SOMETHING. And then tear it down.

As convincing as a Spaniard-Swede with rep factory connections in Sweden but no individual watch photos can ever sound!

If I may piggyback a question here about engraving. Wasn't one of the rep PAM owner's beefs always that the Officine PanerAI was cut off? In this EXCELLENT link you provided, Anton, the gen has that too. Angle perhaps?

Brilliant, cheers Rolls. Funny you should mention "petrol" because just the other day I commented to a friend that Americans don't have that name in their fashion palette -- petrol blue. It's a very distinct colour, and if you go to Italy, France, Germany, you'll hear it very often.

Thank you, Freddilein! You know, it's a not a favourite anymore (to put it mildly), but every dog has its day. Movados were excellent starter watches for me, and I'm grateful to have it still. And you know what, I'll give you the "mystery" bit. That's spot on.

Sounds like a second ID, Surpur. As a complete aside, why would anyone buy a watch from someone called "Crippler"? Other IDs I wouldn't buy from: - Clobberer - Smasher - Grabber - Raper - Tickler And also "Chuckles", but that's just me.

Here's my new desktop! I like to show the creators of said wallpaper that I really AM using their wallpapers, hence the attachments. Thanks, Cronsell! I didn't notice your arms until too late, now I just stare at them. ***Hey*** How does one get rid of an attachment? I had uploaded the wrong one.

Palp crown transforms it, great shots Rolli! Love the balcony pics, and especially the strap combos shot (could you tell me the make of the greeny strap?).

Ultimate forgiveness, yes. And that which follows, absolution. But the Confessional, in the words of that most sublime fictional character, Sherlock Holmes, is the one aspect of the Roman Church that always struck him as very logical. Humans feel a need to speak to SOMEONE of confidence about their troubles. Sigmund Freud later came up with the idea in which we Catholics had found release for millenia. Yes, I once read that in a "Guide to Islam" online. http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10-1.htm It is a very interesting thing to read one's religion through the eyes of another religion's beliefs. And by interesting, I would say completely insulting, and weighted towards their own precepts. We Catholics do it to others too. You should hear what some say about Muhammed (PBUH).

Glad to be of service, Hammy. Andrew informs me that the Emperador is sold out. BUT that he will continue to search for me (and now, if you guys add your voice, it'll give him more incentive!). It's really a stunner. Good luck, either way!

Star, that Daytona is homicide on a bracelet. It nearly offed me. Anyone else spending hours drooling at this thread? Oh and Anton, thanks! Glad to provide some mirth, warming you up, because it's cold as a cow's teat where I am too.

Ph.DGuy's Notes Wow, my dissertation is almost over, phew! That last chapter almost killed me. It seems the forum specimens are not (to quote TimeZone member, SnobFU1665) "poseur slimebuckets who would sell their grandmas for a working seconds @ 6 IWC Porto." Their latest forum thread suggests they have a surprising number of "gen" watches. Their deviant behaviour must be a manifestation of sad latchkey childhoods, and in the case of the lone talkative female, clearly penis envy. I will observe them until semester ends. Addendum of 28 February: There's some thread going on about me, but I don't care. One day, when Doubleday publishes my book, and it becomes a New York Times Bestseller, they will know who I really was on the forum!!11! Until then, I'm just Ph.DGuy, MWAHAHA. Snap.

You know, if ever TTK posts his gens on this thread, the internets will shut down.

Remember my old forum ID, Robi. Lanikai uses the shorthand, though I encourage everyone to call me Victoria, Vicky, Vic, Gorgeous Babe, anything you want. Not that!

Movado Esperanza Klarlund Closed Case Front Lyndon Pilot Watch Casio Baby-G Shock Technomarine Tmcsun Tiffany & Co Elgin Closed Case Front #1 Poljot JL Extra shot of Omega gold And of course...Vintage Rolex Ladies Watch (Wristcheck to follow) Note: These are watches inclusive to the 1 Oct 2007 Wristchecks, so End of Part 1. I omitted several watches, such as the "Nantucket" ones, Swiss Army, Philip Persio, and the like because though gens, they're frivolous. Also, I need verification of models of some, so if you know or want to correct please do!

Agree, Tim, agree. There are many answers, but only one Truth. And if God, or whatever life force one believes in, wanted us to know the Truth, He would've made us live life backwards not forwards, from wisdom to ignorance. Good thread, nice exchange of ideas here.

Let me just say that this belief is the crucial difference between Christianity and Islam. I SUBMIT to no one, not even to God. I ACCEPT God, and His son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Modern Western culture was built on a series of breakdowns of Authority versus Free Will, and it all starts with this aspect of Christianity: acceptance.

Carl, this sounds like I was complaining, and me and TWP are at odds. NO! Please. This was brought to my attention first on the Shoutbox, when I logged in. I searched for it, and it had been deleted/moved (as we later found out, by Mods, not by TWP). TWP had a similar thread on modding my 190, which he did for me in complete generosity of spirit because (I hesitate to bring this up) the forum atmosphere was very different towards me in November-December 2007. He wanted to pep me up, as well as do right by my standing order with him. I was astonished at his surprising gesture, and I admit, I cried. God, what a nice guy. Doc is right. He's not perfect, but damn his heart is golden, and he always steps up to the plate if he goofs. I feel like such a heel now...

Allow a guess, my dear Sssurfer? - You wonder what series of events led to him or her choosing, then buying such a watch? - You wonder if they are watch cognoscenti? - You wonder how much disposable wealth they have? - You wonder why they chose this or that colour/model/etc/ of IWC, AL&S...? I am of the opinion that every single detail about you, says something about you. IOW, as a wise man once said, the devil's in the details. @Stormtrooper4: LOL!! ...and I think this thread is going to get more play later. Today has been a very "funny" day on RWG.

Thanks for your honest response, Lanikai. I hear overall what you are saying. However, reviews, write-ups, pictorials are the basis of this forum. (Or in my case, would-be pictorials -- I wasn't even going to do that, simply post the watches in the Wristchecks as usual). Haven't you recently been accused of being a shill and giving positive reviews in exchange for watches? A charge I found ludicrous, and said so, if you read my reply closely between the lines. I know you are not accusing me of anything more than a rather strained charge of "PR" for TWP. I say strained because as you have read, I have actually told people NOT to use TWP's services, at various times. Some PR spokeslady I am. At most, he's a chum of mine, insomuch as anyone can be a chum online. I honour his work and commitment to his family deeply. But my watches are sacrosanct. If he messes them up, I'll tell him in no uncertain words. AND CRUCIALLY FOR RWG... I'll tell you guys too. Now, let's follow Robi's advice and see what the chap has to say. @Doc: Wow! Applause.

I read my mum this entire thread. "Why are you talking about this in a rep watch place?". She doesn't have a good grasp of the internet being 300 million people just talking crap yet. I just say I'm religious. She truly is, because she's devout. So please accept her Roman Catholic definition of prayer, as a talking point. "A prayer is communication between you and God." (Clearly I got my wordiness from my dad!) Basically, humans have a need to transmit their hopes and desires to others. A prayer can also be a supplication to intercede or alter life, but you cannot tell God what to do. That's why it's called "prayer" not "command". @Demon: EXACTLY! @Pugwash: Sorry, I know it wasn't addressed to me, but basically it means you wish them well, perhaps also that you will speak to God so that He may intercede for them. We are indeed, vastly off-topic.

Great idea, Anton! (Cuando no?) ...you know my parents' strictures by now. So I'm limiting myself to those watches I have "outted" as gens before. More later.

Any moment now, I'll be Godwin Lawed. Thanks, Demon, for answering my question so kindly. I hope you find the answers which interest you, and please know that I have no agendas -- I love History, warts and all. I am at your disposal anytime!