Craytonic

forgot about this thread.

They all ended up back in the box they came in and in my basement; never actually got around to wearing or washing them. Oh well, live and learn.

I can never get on RWI anymore

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I want it.... but I don't need it (now) and can wait for it to drop a good bit in price.

If you give me the words "$600" "chrono" and "rep" I also expect to hear "swiss movement"

They do mention that the rep is significantly lighter. Anyone ever compare?

Since the CEO himself is on the forum, I am so tempted to ask what precisely about your watch makes you feel that it is worth 1000 times the cost of actually making the watch. It is the major reason I am disgusted with the gen marketplace. I have a gen chronograph, made in Switzerland, that contains a nice Valjoux 7750. I paid $400 and it is very nice; exceptionally well made and keeps perfect time. Mr. Bivalve can take the same movement, shove it into a different case no better than the one on my $400 watch, and slap a $8000 sticker on it. I just never figured this out with mass produced watches. I guess you charge what some fool is willing to give you.

I obviously delude myself by thinking that there should be some reasonable correspondence between the price it costs to make something and the actual list price.

/Tim

For some reason I always loose that argument when my girlfriend metions the word "chanel purse" or "Jimmy Choo shoes." These two items are my worst enemy, followed by some dude named "Marc Jacobs" who I swear she is cheating on me with as much as she talks about him.

Well, guys, as you can imagine, this has been discussed a lot in the admin section ever since the thread started. I know some members have aired some concern about the admin being quiet, but I must admit that I take my admin responsibilities seriously and don't jump into these things without discussing it with the great team of co-admins and moderators we have here at RWG. (OK, I sometime so, but not often )

What we have been talking about is many of the same things Neil has mentioned above. We have concentrated on the things we know and left the allogations about other things that can not be proven, like the PP issues, out of this equation. I'm not going to make this a lengthy post (I was, but I just deleted most of it, as most of the things I was about to say have been discussed in the thread), but we all know what has been going on. So let's go straight to the actions that will be taken;

1. No dealers will be suspended or banned from RWG

2. Any dealer who wish to remain a dealer at RWG will start selling their watches at RWG. All links to external webshops will be removed from RWG, both in posts and signatures. If a member wants info about a particular model for sale or info about a dealer, they can request it via PM or e-mail to the dealer in question.

Both the members and the RWG crew expect to see an increase of new watches posted in all dealer sections. More details for the dealers will be available in the dealers area about this policy. The rules for the dealer section will also be updated as fast as possible.

4. We open up a new "Dealer misrepresentation forum" where members can post about items they think has the wrong description. We do not expect every dealer to be an expert on movements and the technical aspects of his watch, but we expect a truthful description of the watches. If a dealer is not certain of the movement in a watch, this should be posted followed by a picture of the movement or the interested members can request follow-up photos by e-mail or PM. What we do expect is that the dealer will respond to threads in this forum and I do remind you that we have different cultures on this forum, and not everybody appreciates all the fu** and shi** flying around in this thread, so let any discussion remain in a very civil way.

5. This is where we draw a new line for the dealers. If this line is stepped over, a suspension will be the first warning. One more error, and you are out of here. Regarding this, let me come with a strong suggestion to all the dealers here at RWG to participate in any discussions regarding your problems. Most problems can easily be resolved with fast and hones communications. We are all humans and we all do mistakes!

Let me just add some final comments to this post, regarding other posts/threads on RWG right now. RWG is here to discuss replicas and have fun with people who share the same (special) interest that you do. We are here to talk about watches and other fun topics. A lot of us have found out that we share many similiar intereste with many members here and many new friendships have been formed here and many more will be formed. Every boards has it's ups and downs when it comes to the "general feel" of the forum. That's just the way things are. TT says it all the time; Where people meet, life happens. And let me just add to that; no matter what happens, life goes on....

Have a nice day/evening/night wherever you are in the world.

Admin

RWG Admin

Everyone should be VERY skepitcal of a new watch that is posted on a dealer website and not here; dealers are now completely unaccountable for their private listings. I might insist on a listing here before purchasing.

I am very happy Admin has come up with a good solution. I hope the sites out there don't turn into replica center.

Guys, who is Jay? This is the type of dealer I would like to have business with. pm me if thats better. Thanks.

As said above, he is talking about jay of silix-prime.

Amazing guy, he sourced a dial for me I needed just last week.

He and sash are both very nice and helpful.

If you watched the show Extras, you would get it. Its funny because its not funny.

Edit: as a side note, I was about to sell a watch I got from Trusty, and now maybe I should hold on to it until the heat dies down haha

Only if it is the B&R...

The price is ridiculous on some of these new offerings; once a rep gets to be a certain % of the cost of a gen it just isn't worth it to me.

Good idea,.. however they would need to then go through an initiation period

to test them.

Some members will either get a deal or get ripped,.. remember Sichaun ?

I think we need to promote the honest dealers we already know,.. however

have them clean up, or upgrade their methods,.. as we will have power to funnel

more business like never before... or take it away.

You are correct, some of them certainly will not pan out and out and people will get ripped; but people got ripped by our "trusty" dealers on the B&R as well - lots of people. Also, price control in the aggregate costs.

I took a chance on sash and have been very, very happy. Everyone can afford to try a new guy on occasion....

Wow, impressive thread. Thanks edge.

I can add that there is no real reason for the "Maker" (did someone watch the matrix one too many times?) to set the final price on a watch. I seriously doubt this is happening (there are a few minor reasons why but highly unlikely). If prices are being set, they would be set by the cartel.

I have personally noticed prices going higher with a group of dealers and have taken my business elsewhere / buy fewer reps.

I believe the solution here is simply to have more dealers (who are unaffiliated).

humm http://www.rwg.cc/members/Tag-Heuer-Monaco...een-t20292.html

It was working earlier and I did not change it.... strange happenings.

I ran across a pic of pugwash's friend with his cellular phone & just could not resist posting it. Silly image shack; it should be working now.

In the US, it is "tard" not "tart" that is short for reTARD.

Famous moment in l33t history

this dude got owned.

Like Gladiator, Troy or Alexander?

yes more! I only liked the first of those.

"leet speak"

or

"l33t sp34k"

really annoying except I love the term "owned"

Interesting you kept your nautilus. I let mine go; the bracelet was not as smooth as I would like (I am guessing you fixed yours w/ a little oil). The numerals on your dial are nice and straight though; mine looked a little off. It is a very accurate rep; I compared it to the gen and was impressed. I guess I just felt like I wasn't able to pull off a nautilus quite yet in life.... I decided the VC overseas was a better representation of that look for me (a tad younger and sportier). The nautlius is very distinguished, although a little 80s perhaps?

The daytonas make me drool.

No offense intended if this is you.

wow you went to town on that thing

So many new reps; the problem is I don't like any of them

There is an outlet at woodberry (sp?) outside of NYC, a couple other outlets. Most online are fake.

Check w/ sash on here, the case is 1:1, but the date window is not a trapazoid as it should be, the cross on it is incorect, and no AR coating. It is a very nice watch.

Correct me if I am wrong guys, but quality of asian movements has always INCREASED, not decreased. Particularly the 7750.

I am convinced they are slowly getting this figured out until they reach roughly the same level as the swiss. Slowly getting the precision necessary, better machinery, etc. I think it just needs time and will come on its own.

Not a big fan; but have yet to see one repped well. You could always ask around. You check with narikka? Sometimes he has that sort of random stuff.