Craytonic

Did you notice the spelling on the back?

Making a woman think you paid less than you actually did? I prefer the opposite

I recommend the SS datejust ladies. My girlfriend has a gen and loves it. She has made it known to me that she wants a cartier tank next. I think either of those are great; I prefer the datejust.

I was addicted for about 6 months last year; had to give it up because it was eating too much time.

My guess he is talking about the year function?

Not sure if David W. is still around, he used to carry a good set (seperate from his mystery movement 6263).

The gen is white (NOT silver). I have seen it at 4 different ADs, including Wempe.

It may just show up in a week or two. They are good people; if something goes wrong they will fix it but don't send lots of order info.

Oh really?

Gold Bracelet

Ringer Rings

Ear Ring(s)

....and that is only the stuff you can see!

/Tim

gotta be awkward at the airport metal detector.

Sounds interesting. I have been meaning to snap a wrist shot before I go out at night sometimes but am always running late.

Etiquette be damned.

Formal rules of how to dress, and act, for that matter, are rules that are made to be broken.

Avant Garde should be viewed as more acceptable than rules against it.

Wearing a beautiful watch (which of course is in the eye of the beholder) should be a decision based soley on what is beautiful for you, not 'them'.

I own a Cartier Tank Francias, and I wear it with SS and or black alligator WHENEVER I feel like it. The ONLY reason not to wear a sport watch with a suit is because it doesn't fit under a long sleeve shirt...NOT because Joe Blow would think it unacceptable. [censored] that guy.

I am a GUEST at another person's wedding I will dress as they desire and not break the mold. The attention should be on them, not me. Certain things come with being a guest, it is a matter of respect, among others.

Personally, I agree with you, but Ethan was very clear that in some instances, although people nowadays might well accept (and expect) people to wear a watch, the traditional ettiquete was to not wear one. It was those kind of rules that I'd be interested in reading up on. Also, I quite agree, brown straps can be very hard to match.

I can see how with the most formal vest and tails you would only consider a pocket watch "appropriate" but I would consider that a dated perspective.

I would go with the PAM 063. I had the Ti GST but the rotor was way too loud and the crown too loose. Try on the IWCs before you buy. Yes, they are accurate. That doesn't mean you will love them.

If only it were that simple... Ethan said at the time, that it was considered bad ettiquete to even wear a watch at any kind of formal gathering. (As it suggests that the guest has more important places to be, or that time is more important than the gathering) It was also suggested that it was considered bad form to wear an SS bracelet in a business environment, and that leather straps should be worn instead.

Personally, I've always tried to match the strap of my watch (if leather) to my shoes and belt, but if there are any other 'hard and fast' rules of watch ettiquete, I for one, would love to hear them, as I'm sure would the others who commented on the original thread

I don't think it is ever bad ettiquette to wear a small, dressy watch. A watch and cufflinks are about the only jewelry a man can wear. It doesn't imply anything except you want to be there on time so you wear a watch to know when to show up.

Sports watch (with ss bracelets) are for sports - not business. That said, I think a cartier tank would be fine for work since it is a little on the dressy / small side.

Keep it small with a suit so it fits under the sleeve and jacket. Try to keep the leather matching, although I would see more trouble with a brown band than a black one.

Don't wear a leather or alligator band to a PETA fundraiser.

No offense, but I have to disagree with the people who say that the rep manufacturers don't want to make a perfect rep because they want us to keep buying the upgrades. That doesn't make economic sense. A manufacturer that could produce a perfect rep at a reasonable price could corner the market on that particular rep. Most people only buy one engagement ring, but you don't see Debeers trying to push inferior diamonds in the hope that people will "upgrade".

If you look at the rep market, it has been continually improving over the past few years. As the market for quality reps grows, the rep manufacturers continue to improve their products. Watches like the Ultimate PO are already indistinguishable as reps by everyone but the most astute observers. The problem with the Sub is that so many people are satisfied with a "decent" model, there is little incentive for the manufacturers to make a "perfect" version. The majority of casual rep buyers are looking for a Rolex because, in many cases, that is the only brand they know. The rep Rolex market is dominated by cheap reps of mediocre quality. In the short term we will probably see more nearly perfect Breitlings, Omegas, and Panerais, but to get a nearly perfect Sub, you are going to have to make the mods.

Actually, in theory, the rep mfgs could collude as a cartel (dreaded word but correct from an antitrust standpoint here) and have a policy of never making a 1:1 sub. As long as they all stick to it, they all profits from new models. This actually makes great economic sense for them. Not saying it happens, but that it could.

You get into messy points like new entrants to the market and forcing collusion, etc but I am simplifying here. In addition, I would think they might use more than economic muscle to keep people in line - can't call the justice dept. about someone strong-arming you about your rep factory!

Any way you could hook up with ubi or whoever did the vintage rolex dials?

You are working from the assumption they want it to be perfect...

Thanks! Was curious, didn't want to end up with a head with no band.

wow it is like the crystal isn't even there.

I would be in for the SS if price is in line with other 7750 asian reps.

Quick question on the HBB:

The bracelet is plastic, right? WTF are you guys going to do when it breaks? Just curious if it can be replaced.

He might have sold it; I saw it in his latest offerings as well. I think it was gold plated though.

Finding a buyer for an accutron depends alot on what you have. Is it a 214 or a 218? The 214 models are generally worth a bit more. Is it anything special (e.g. spaceview, astronaut, assymetric, rr approved etc). I would have to say that accutrons are not exactly "hot" right now.

If it is a spaceview I would be interested.

Wow. A to F in about .02 with that picture comparison.

this gets back the same question i asked a couple weeks ago:

where is the market for these???

the rep boards are pretty much high end rep collectors. we buy davidsen pams and mbw's. lot's of members have bought BCE's and steelfish and ets ultimate p.o.'s etc. most of us ar also watch geeks who know what obscure brands and models are.

but the general consensus is that the HBB, and now the ceramic bezel version is just too damn expensive. i agree.

so who is buying them? i just can't see the typical tourist in a rep market looking at a $200 sub that will impress all his friends and deciding instead to pay $600 for a brand he (and his friends) have never heard of?

maybe the market is in china? but at these prices?

I think much of the market is in china. Especially on this rep, I know this is a complete & unfair generalization, I am racist, and am going to hell, etc. But this watch seems to do better with Asian buyers... I have seen it 2x in NYC and both times an asian guy was wearing it - guessing gen on both given where I saw them. Your evidence may of course vary and it isn't really worth arguing this point, just a silly theory I have. Seemed to look better on them than me, skin tones just have that effect.

They also realize there are two sets of buyers for reps. One that will pay top dollar for the latest and greatest, and another more value conscious set. They charge the high price first to extract what is basically a monopoly rent from the early adopters, then wait for sales to drop off and cut the price. This way they maximize profit. If you sell 50 of these, it is better to sell 15 at $600 and 35 at $400 than all 50 at $400, particularly if you don't need all the money right away...

The theory that upsets me most, and that I think might also be the case, is that they are initially charging $600 for these so when the price gets down to $400 everyone will think it is a "good deal" and they are "saving" $200, when really they are getting a rep that should have cost $250-350 (max!) to begin with. Probably a symptom of general trend toward higher prices.

Could also be the case that it is hard to get ceramic part for this, limited supply, etc so it makes even more sense to use theories 2 & 3 since they don't have the stock to meet the demand at $400...

On the box you can also tell it is rep by the shape of the label (too much heigth, not enough width) and the mechanism that holds it closed.

Thanks the case was throwing me off, if I had any photoshop skills I would overlay the 2 you pictured to show what I was talking about. nice watch though, I wish the pics were bigger.