Gorilladame Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) Hi! I´m planing a bit on my new project and before I buy all the stuff, I wounder whether one of you guys knows if a Yuki 1680 Dial fits into a new MBW 1680 Case. I know the dial feet will probably not fit, but that shouldn´t be a big problem. Here is a quote from the Yuki page to give you a hint: The diameter of the dial is 26.5 mm, the dial feet at 6 and 11'o clock. BTW: Will the Yuki hands for the Rolex 1570 movement fit on the ETA 2836-2 ?? Looking forward to your opinions and hints... Edited February 8, 2010 by Gorilladame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 There's a good chance it won't work. In the past a gen or decent aftermarket 1680 dial wouldn't fit in an MBW case w/o some mods- dial is too big. Gen/aftermarket dial 26.5mm MBW 1680 dial 26.2mm Trim the dial or enlarge the case, neither is a decent option, IMO. Hands for a 1570 movt won't fit an eta. Go to Clark's Watch supply for 'tudor' hands for eta. They'll fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 That is sad... Actually I decided to go with MBW to do mods like this and now I stuck with the large "submariner" on the dial... So only way to go is the Yuki case? How much is it, does someone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Email them, but my guess is between $400 and $500. And I don't know how a 2846-2 movement or other eta will fit in there. And of course, a 1575 movement will run $1000-1500 with a service included. But good gens run $4000-6000. Red subs which are correct run $7500-9000, more with papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Yes with this "low price" vintage gens you always have think twice. Wait and collect money over the time or spend a lot of money pice by pice to end up with some watch that is still "just" a rep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Unfortunately, if I remember correctly you have picked the one model (1680) where the dial has to be shaved slightly. The 5512/13 and 1680 seem to fit fine. A couple of things to bear in mind though. If you are going with an ETA movement you are going to be "ruinging" the dial anyhow when you shave the feet so don't worry about it. But I would not spend the money on a gen movement when using a shaved dial. So either keep it lower budget and stick with ETA movement, upgrade to Yuki case with gen movement or pick a 5512/3 or 1680 instead. The Rolex experts can correct whatever I got wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I concur with kruzer; 5513 dials fit with little drama, whereas 1680 dials are a .5mm too large. The 1680 dial can be trimmed down, which in my opinion is acceptable unless you're using a gen dial (which in that case I would leave the dial as-is, dial feet and all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 How can you drimm a dial without making it "un-round"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 How can you drimm a dial without making it "un-round"??? Very gentle sanding Put the paper on a desk, then holding the dial 'edge down', gently and at a single stroke each time, rotating the dial each time, to ensure as consistent abrasion as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 And remember, don't touch the face of the dial with your fingers! Wear gloves for instance. Also, you could use a small file, but however you do it, it will be slow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 but the hole in the middle will fit?? Please give me at least a little light in the tunnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Yes- The center hole on the dial will fit over the hour/minute/seconds pinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Unfortunately, if I remember correctly you have picked the one model (1680) where the dial has to be shaved slightly. The 5512/13 and 1680 seem to fit fine. A couple of things to bear in mind though. If you are going with an ETA movement you are going to be "ruinging" the dial anyhow when you shave the feet so don't worry about it. But I would not spend the money on a gen movement when using a shaved dial. So either keep it lower budget and stick with ETA movement, upgrade to Yuki case with gen movement or pick a 5512/3 or 1680 instead. The Rolex experts can correct whatever I got wrong. Dear Kruzer, thank you for your very informativ reply, but in an other way it is confusing me. You say in my model (1680) the dial have to be shaved, but in the final you say I should pick a 1680. So do you know a MBW sub-case which goes fine with the Yuki 1680 red dial? Or vis-versa a Yuki dial which will go fine with the new MBW 1680 case? And last question: ETZ is also selling the "old" MBW 1680 cases, will the Yuki dial fit there? Once again thank you for help so far! I´m hanging on your lips... Edited February 9, 2010 by Gorilladame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Gorilla, What he probably meant to say in the second sentence is 1665, not 1680. Look at it like this: Option 1- MBW case- $165 Yuki dial-$135 ETA movt- preferably 2846-2 $125? ETA hands $15 gen crown- say $25, used pearl for insert $20 ETZ DW overlay $20 93150 rep bracelet,580 ends $100 Total $600+ Option 2- Yuki case- $400+ Dial and hands- $135 Rolex 1570 movt- $1000+ gen crown $25 gen insert- $100 gen bracelet- $600 Total $2250+ These are ballpark figures, but this should give you the pic. #1 is a nice rep, #2 is a full fledged franken. But remember, these are labors of love, not investments. Buy a gen if you're looking for an investment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Not looking for an investment, looking for something for my workbench to work on in the evening ;-) I allready got everything from pic1 (with a 2836-2 movement + gen springbars), besides the Yuki dial and some 580 endlinks(which I am looking for a lot), and I actually don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 ETZ DW overlay= Eurotimez DateWheel overlay- you need this because the eta DW is outside of the correct diameter for a Rolex DW. Also, the ETZ DW has the correct fonts and silver/gray background of the vintage Rolex watches- 1570 series movts. You could check wholesaleoutlet990 on the bay, he has had some decent 580 end pieces in the past- better than rep 580 ends which have a hole on the ends on the backside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromatic Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Hi! I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) ETZ DW overlay= Eurotimez DateWheel overlay- you need this because the eta DW is outside of the correct diameter for a Rolex DW. Also, the ETZ DW has the correct fonts and silver/gray background of the vintage Rolex watches- 1570 series movts. You could check wholesaleoutlet990 on the bay, he has had some decent 580 end pieces in the past- better than rep 580 ends which have a hole on the ends on the backside. Ahhh ok, next problem, never thought about the date... thank´s for the hint ;-) Would the MBW fit? @aeromatic: thats fantastic news Edited February 9, 2010 by Gorilladame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 The MBW or ETZ overlay will line the date up with most any dial that has the datewindow in the same position as genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromatic Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Ahhh ok, next problem, never thought about the date... thank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 The MBW or ETZ overlay will line the date up with most any dial that has the datewindow in the same position as genuine. even if you shave the dial? I wounder if a 0.5mm shaved dial still looks ok, anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Gorilla, What he probably meant to say in the second sentence is 1665, not 1680. Yes I meant 1665. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 even if you shave the dial? I wounder if a 0.5mm shaved dial still looks ok, anyway... Shaving the outer diameter of the dial has no physical impact on placement of the datewindow, as long as the trimming is done evenly around the edge/diameter. Of course, if you take .5mm off the left or right side only, that will shift the position accordingly, but trimming in this manner would not make any logical sense An MBW 1680 dial is 26mm to fit their cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 The only case where uneven dial shaving should affect the location of the dial is on press-fit dials. Watches powered by Rolex 103xs come to mind here (the dials for the 103x have an outer (right-angle) flange that fits (snugly) around the main plate of the movement). Other dials, those affixed to the movement either by dial feet or held on with dial dots (or similar adhesives) will not be off-center if you shave too much or too little from 1 side. The cannon pinion (the shaft that holds the hands & runs through the center of the dial) centers the dial's position in the case. The problem you can run into if you remove too much material is leaving gaps between the edge of the dial & the inner flange (rehaut) of the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 The only case where uneven dial shaving should affect the location of the dial is on press-fit dials. Watches powered by Rolex 103xs come to mind here (the dials for the 103x have an outer (right-angle) flange that fits (snugly) around the main plate of the movement). Other dials, those affixed to the movement either by dial feet or held on with dial dots (or similar adhesives) will not be off-center if you shave too much or too little from 1 side. The cannon pinion (the shaft that holds the hands & runs through the center of the dial) centers the dial's position in the case. The problem you can run into if you remove too much material is leaving gaps between the edge of the dial & the inner flange (rehaut) of the case. I have to disagree- If you have a dial recess in the case that is 26mm, and your dial is 26.5mm, .5mm has to go. If you remove that .5mm from one side only (and provided you are able to retain the round shape of the dial), the case recess will determine the position of the dial; hence if the dial is .5mm less on one side, it's going to shift the date window position accordingly depending on where the excess material was removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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