omgiv Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I am trying to thread a new case tube into an old 5513 MBW case and it doesn't want to go in smoothly. I have the proper 3mm X .35 tap for 6mm tubes and it goes in freely. I cleaned up all of the glue and ran the tap through several times. I can run the tap through with just my fingers, so I don't think that it is too tight. I have a clark tube and a genuine tube but both will only go in a couple of turns. I am afraid to force it because I don't want to strip the threads or break the tube. I was under the assumption that the hole was good if the tap would go in freely. Can anyone help because I have a couple of cases that I want to do this with. Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I'm not sure if you have one or not, but you need the tube wrench to do this properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I do have the tube wrench but I was thinking that it would go in more easily. I can take a picture later of how far the tube will go in before it gets tight (not very far). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Hmmmm... 3.0mm x .35 should be the correct size for the 6mm and 7mm tubes. Just to clarify, are you using the wrench to install the tube? Or are you turning by fingertips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Here is the picture. The case that I have has the serial L342357 (I think). It has been scratched pretty well, but I think that is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I am turning the tube by hand it gets really tight by hand about here (in the picture). Is it the case that these tubes thread themselves after a certain point? How tight should it be? Thanks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnBeever Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 I normally have this problem and I use the cousins case tubes. They seem uncomfortably tight but I just use a bit of grease on the threads and take it slowly, back it out half a turn when it gets really tight and try again. When it bottoms out unwind it, which it will do easily, clean off all the grease and apply some locktite. It will go in a lot easier the second time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Thanks for the reply! Do genuine tubes act the same? I just want to make sure I am not doing something wrong. What kind of grease do you use? Silicon, oil, tapping fluid? I may order a few more aftermarket tubes and try. Thanks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 The tube should screw most of the way into the case with only light finger pressure. If you have to force it, something is wrong. It sounds like either the case tubes are wrong or your tap is. Assuming you are using the proper Rolex tap, be sure you are running the tap all the way through the side of the case. Afterwards, make sure the hole & threads are scrupulously clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Thanks Freddy. The tune in the picture is a genuine tube just opened. The tap is also new bought from Casker here in the US. I did run the tap until it bottomed out. I thought that I had cleaned the threads and hole but will try again. I might just try another tap and see what happens. When you say most of the way, would you say 75%? Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 For a gen Tube that's normal, gen replacement Tubes has more defined threads to make shure they sit tight on the Case. You need some force to install them. Aftermarket Tubes are easier to install after retapping but they can break easily on the Threadside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilty Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Yes, gen tubes fit tight. I installed a new gen tube in a gen case last night and it was tight. It was a 5.3mm tube and was missing the silver gasket, so I used some non-hardening gasket sealer around the threads before I installed. This helps seal the tube, and is easy to remove if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Thanks for the replies gentlemen!!!! If you don't mind, what kind of non hardening sealer do you use. I have used something similar for plumbing but have not seen anything watch related. Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilty Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 You can go to any automotive supply and get some. Just ask for non-hardening gasket sealer. You only need about a pin head amount, just to coat the threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I use GC crystal cement & I would be careful about forcing those tubes. I still think there is something askew (wrong) there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Thanks Freddy. I am with you a little bit. I am ordering another tap from another vendor just in case I got a bad one. I also have a couple of aftermarket tubes coming to practice on. I would hate to ruin a genuine tube for nothing. Will report back!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Not sure if this is relevant, but Rolex makes some oversized tubes for those cases where the threading had to be drilled out & re-tapped. In these cases, the hole ends up slightly larger than it began, which then necessitates an oversized tube. These oversized tubes are identified (on the package) as being oversized, but I wonder if someone might be repacking these oversized parts as standard parts since they are obviously more valuable. Or, maybe, it was labeled as such & you missed it? Did you buy the gen tubes from a Rolex-trained watchmaker with a parts account or an experienced (online) seller with a long history of (successful) Rolex parts sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I bought it from someone that has a long history with Rolex parts. How are the packages denoted? Thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I have never seen the packaging, but I had a similar problem with a 700 Triplock tube last year & was told about these oversized tubes then. I searched the TZ archives & I found numerous references to them from reliable sources. Can you post a good, clear macro pic of the gen packaging you received the part in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Here you go Freddy! Let me know if it isn't clear enough. The part that is wrinkled says T-09. The package was sealed when I got it Thanks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 The numbering is correct. Is that tape on the bottom or was it factory sealed when you received it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 It was sealed when I got it. I put the tape on it to keep everything in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Mic the case thread diameter of your gen tube and compare against one of your aftermarket tubes. To my knowledge, there are no aftermarket tubes in the larger size, so this should be a quick indication as to what you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgiv Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 That is a good idea. i just used my micrometer on the tube I have and another genuine tube that I opened at they both measured 3.01mm. I don't have any aftermarket tubes right now (the one I have is stripped), but should have some next week. My other tap should arrive then as well. If they both measure the same and the tap is the same, I guess the case (no pun intended) is solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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