Gorilladame Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Hi guys! Sorry for not being around in the last month, but stress isn´t a word which could nearly discribe this month But now I back with a hugh question: A close friend of mine is planing to buy a gen 1680 red after he saw my Yuki red and I promised to ask some experts (yes I mean you folks) for their opinion. So please take a look at those and tell me what you think: Number 1: What I like: It looks like in a really good shape, even the band. What I don´t like: The 6 seems to be closed what is wrong for a 1970 with a 9315 band and it is the most expensiv one and the insert seems to have to fat numbers. Number 2: What I like: looks good IMO and it is the cheapest one. What I don´t like: It is nearly a bit too cheap and the date seems to be in a wrong position. Number 3: What I like: it is a meter first from 1969 What I don´t like: the band seems to be worn out a bit and the insert got some ditches. Number 4: What I like: The shape of the crown is really nice. What I don´t like: the color of the dial seems more tritium than the color of the hands. Number 5: What I don´t like: Again the hand and the dial isn´t matching... So please do me a HUGH favour and post your opinions on those babes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I say #3 (1st choice) or #4 (2nd)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Probably #4 for me, under the condition that I could afford to replace the hands with a NOS set of patina hands and the insert with something more age appropriate. And I wouldn't kick #3 out of bed, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I say #3 (1st choice) or #4 (2nd)... Really? How come? I would have gone with Number 2 (1st) and Number 5 (2nd) I guess you saw something I didn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I'm changing my answer to #3, then #4. I'd rather have the meters-first dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Get a vintage fat font insert, bezel and 9315 bracelet on #3, and I think it would be killer. I didn't see #5 the first time around, but that one looks good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 still number 3?? : I think you have to put another 1000€ in it for the insert and the bracelet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 This is a nice package (though it is being priced at a premium) . . . Linky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Curious, how much is #3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 How much are each? 1 - 5?Haha... Chief and I are along the same line of thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 a closer look on the number 2 for 6800€, so there must be a hook... The movement seems a bit damaged... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Sorry!! 3 is 8000€ and 2 is 6800€ 1: 9500€ 2: 6800€ 3: 8000€ 4: 8000€ 5: 8000€ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Well, I don't know what your friend's budget will allow, but I say keep looking. The above aren't bad, but they all show signs of wear, polishing, etc. In the long run, it would probably be of benefit to spend a little more and pick up a clean example with sharp case, full papers in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Well, I don't know what your friend's budget will allow, but I say keep looking. The above aren't bad, but they all show signs of wear, polishing, etc. In the long run, it would probably be of benefit to spend a little more and pick up a clean example with sharp case, full papers in my opinion. Actually he wants to keep it under 8000€ so no chance for box and papers IMO... BTW: What´s the big mistake with number 2? I allways thought this would be OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 #2 isn't bad... But it's definitely seen some time with the polishing wheel. It will also need a proper insert, as it looks as though they've fitted a thin font insert. Hands don't really match the dial either. Kinda knitpicking though... As for the date- It's possible that the time is set to 10:09pm, and the date is starting to roll over, hence why it's slightly off. Probably nothing to worry about there. Your friend should factor in a cost to service into his budget, as it's always difficult to ascertain the overall health of a movement with second hand purchases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 BTW, for the price of these things, I don't think your friend should settle for an 'almost' watch. Better to wait and save for the watch that he really wants, rather than opting for a lesser watch (unless he's just looking for a wearer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flex Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I like 3 for the dial, but the hands seem to be replacement at some angels. With vintage rolex, all the money is on the dial. so, you need to find out the serial number range to determine if the dial was fitted, when the watch was born. Flex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmj Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 If i had to choose I would pick #3. I like the M first dial. The bracelet and insert can be changed if it really bothered your friend. 2nd choice would be #4. I like the patina of the dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I generally agree with Ubi here (& for the same reasons he stated). But, were it me, I would hold out for a watch from a reliable seller that comes with (original) papers. Alternatively, considering how much fakery there is with vintage Rolex Subs, I would only buy with the (written) understanding that you will get the watch authenticated by Rolex. I would then walk it right over to the closest RSC for a full overhaul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I generally agree with Ubi here (& for the same reasons he stated). But, were it me, I would hold out for a watch from a reliable seller that comes with (original) papers. Alternatively, considering how much fakery there is with vintage Rolex Subs, I would only buy with the (written) understanding that you will get the watch authenticated by Rolex. I would then walk it right over to the closest RSC for a full overhaul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Vintage Rolex is all about the dial. All else being equal, the meters-first wins. Then you figure out if you can afford to make the rest "correct" over time. I spent big money on a mid-range mtn bike a few years ago. I was tempted to go big and get the top end bike but I found out they shared the same frame and swingarm, both guaranteed for life. Knowing I would be breaking and replacing everything on the bike except the frame, I saved big money by going mid-range, then spent the money over time to take it to the top end bike on my own. And I needed to replace the parts anyway. Buy the dial, then later buy the insert, bezel, hands, bracelet as necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmj Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Vintage Rolex is all about the dial. All else being equal, the meters-first wins. Then you figure out if you can afford to make the rest "correct" over time. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Alternatively, considering how much fakery there is with vintage Rolex Subs, I would only buy with the (written) understanding that you will get the watch authenticated by Rolex. I would then walk it right over to the closest RSC for a full overhaul. Same here, all the sellers are ranked and have a turn-back-policy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilladame Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 So this morning he pult the trigger on this one: Mark I with long F, with box, certificat, revision receipts and 1 year waranty. So what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmj Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 It looks great. I like how thin the fonts are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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