Mickey Padge Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Looks good, does it line up OK? Some of his were a little off, but that 21 is spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 All numbers line up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 All numbers line up.. Great stuff, I had problems with Lello's wheel with an old 188 project, took three or four to get it right, but it was a 7753 based watch, tricky to line up In fact a fully updated ETA7753 based old school PAM might be tempting in a trade for this piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Yup its true that Lello's 7753 DWs can be difficult to work with...the numbers between "25" and "29" don't line up in the center. No such problem with his 2893 I have 2 ETA 7753 Daylights, PAM 250 and Panda PAM... both of which will go first before I sell the 029B. But that's just me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Man your spoilt with all these top end watches Please could you post some picture/specs of the 7753 based PAM's too? I have always loved them, but never found the right one. My old 188/196 project was a long and drawn out experience, which soured me on the finished watch (as sometimes happens with me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Thanks TK471, the DSN crystal was a great fit, perfect in fact, and I like the crispness of the one piece crystal over DSN's other styles, where the cyclops is sometimes a little messy round the edges I can't believe that's a DSN. Looks great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted August 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I like his one piece crystals from his 2892 range of watches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sul Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Oooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drulee Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Here's mine, EL 029B, chief cyclops, T48 crown, A series CG, The Zigmeister lumed, B222/500. This rep is top of my list. I would set a price of USD1.8k, high but i don't want to sell it.... yet. Shouldn't go below 1.5k in my humble opinion. Cheers S181 $1500 ??!!!?? How much would a PAM063 of similar build, be worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 $1500 ??!!!?? How much would a PAM063 of similar build, be worth? About the same. The last modded EL 029b went for slightly more than that if my memory serves me right. Its the rarity rather than cost of watch itself. Its safe to say that you can souce for a 2893-2 movt (fxrandy's recent sourcing comes to mind) but how many successful 029/063 projects have we seen? in fact I see some of these movements back in the market after their unsuccesful attempt to put these movts in PAMs and Rolexes. But that's my price on my 029.... if it ever hits the sales section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 siesta, I think the problem is lots of folks were trying to do the impossible. the Rolex GMT /2893-2 is a difficult if not impossible build. possibly if you were able to source the longer canon pins that are available, but not standard, it would be possible. As far as PAMs, i would guess that the basic problem is a lot of the cases were never designed to fit a 2893-2. the nice thing about the old Eddie Lee cases was the cases were designed for the 2893-2 and when they were no longer available they started using the 2836-2's, Unfortunately, those old watches are pretty rare.Eddie Lee's prices were on the high end for reps back in 2005-06, and I would imagine that not a lot were sold to start with. Thus the rarity. I may be wrong, but the old Eddie Lee 029's and 063's should all be usable as a 2893-2 recipient. having said that, I don't know at what point the cases changed, different manufacturer., etc. Probably the ones that are proving impossible to use with the 2893-2's are newer models that just aren't compatible with the 2893-2 movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 siesta, I think the problem is lots of folks were trying to do the impossible. the Rolex GMT /2893-2 is a difficult if not impossible build. possibly if you were able to source the longer canon pins that are available, but not standard, it would be possible. As far as PAMs, i would guess that the basic problem is a lot of the cases were never designed to fit a 2893-2. the nice thing about the old Eddie Lee cases was the cases were designed for the 2893-2 and when they were no longer available they started using the 2836-2's, Unfortunately, those old watches are pretty rare.Eddie Lee's prices were on the high end for reps back in 2005-06, and I would imagine that not a lot were sold to start with. Thus the rarity. I may be wrong, but the old Eddie Lee 029's and 063's should all be usable as a 2893-2 recipient. having said that, I don't know at what point the cases changed, different manufacturer., etc. Probably the ones that are proving impossible to use with the 2893-2's are newer models that just aren't compatible with the 2893-2 movement. Common mistake among the watch builders is that they assume that they can just drop a movt and poooff, you have a watch. A watch is a sophisticated, intricate mechanism with very acute tolerances. I bought one of fxrandy's 2893 with the intention to build a 063. When I could not find a good case, I decided on a Rollie Mcqueen. That was in April I believe and I am still sourcing for the higher hour wheel. Its a long haul process to find parts even if they are not obsolete. the EL 029 is obsolete and in Mickey's case, he gotten a Honpo 029, which in my simple mind means keep it until somebody robs it off you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TswissT Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 FANTASTIC!!! Making me miss my ole 63 I sold a while back... Beautiful watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drulee Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 siesta, I think the problem is lots of folks were trying to do the impossible. the Rolex GMT /2893-2 is a difficult if not impossible build. possibly if you were able to source the longer canon pins that are available, but not standard, it would be possible. As far as PAMs, i would guess that the basic problem is a lot of the cases were never designed to fit a 2893-2. the nice thing about the old Eddie Lee cases was the cases were designed for the 2893-2 and when they were no longer available they started using the 2836-2's, Unfortunately, those old watches are pretty rare.Eddie Lee's prices were on the high end for reps back in 2005-06, and I would imagine that not a lot were sold to start with. Thus the rarity. I may be wrong, but the old Eddie Lee 029's and 063's should all be usable as a 2893-2 recipient. having said that, I don't know at what point the cases changed, different manufacturer., etc. Probably the ones that are proving impossible to use with the 2893-2's are newer models that just aren't compatible with the 2893-2 movement. Common mistake among the watch builders is that they assume that they can just drop a movt and poooff, you have a watch. A watch is a sophisticated, intricate mechanism with very acute tolerances. I bought one of fxrandy's 2893 with the intention to build a 063. When I could not find a good case, I decided on a Rollie Mcqueen. That was in April I believe and I am still sourcing for the higher hour wheel. Its a long haul process to find parts even if they are not obsolete. the EL 029 is obsolete and in Mickey's case, he gotten a Honpo 029, which in my simple mind means keep it until somebody robs it off you. So how can I tell if a 063 or 029 case will accept the 2893 movement, or is it a case of not knowing until I give it a try What would need modding, is it just a question of re-milling a movement retainer ring? Or is much more needed? In case you hadn't guessed I've got both the old 063 and 029, but with ETA 2836-2 movements in them, and I've got one 2893 on the way, perhaps a second, so ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siesta181 Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Everything is possible with a little bit elbow grease. Higher wheels for the hands, a new movt holder for the slimmer 2893, correct hands for the posts... Anything is possible... just not that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Common mistake among the watch builders is that they assume that they can just drop a movt and poooff, you have a watch. A watch is a sophisticated, intricate mechanism with very acute tolerances. I bought one of fxrandy's 2893 with the intention to build a 063. When I could not find a good case, I decided on a Rollie Mcqueen. That was in April I believe and I am still sourcing for the higher hour wheel. Its a long haul process to find parts even if they are not obsolete. the EL 029 is obsolete and in Mickey's case, he gotten a Honpo 029, which in my simple mind means keep it until somebody robs it off you. I'd better keep my EL 029 and 063 and the original ETA 7753 188 and 196 too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I'd better keep my EL 029 and 063 and the original ETA 7753 188 and 196 too! Show off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 $1500 ??!!!?? How much would a PAM063 of similar build, be worth? I would say the same, imho... Everything on this one is the same as S181's, except the model. And she isn't going nowhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Show off! Well, I didn't mention the Honpo titanium 194... drat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kbiz Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Nice watch... if the movement has decorated plates it's for sure a honpo... CBs I've seen swapped, etc. Honpo and EL are from the same source but the serials are a typical tell... as for the pricing, the 029b usually goes for a tad more than the 063... I haven't heard of one being sold on the forums in quite some time... last few I knew about sold for just a hair under $2k... but to get top dollar they need: chief cyclops, EL original hand set, full lume job, 2893/2 honpo decorated mvmnt, original matching CG or Gen CG, Original matching CB, and typically Gen Crown... when completely modded this watch rivals gens side by side... though next to a gen 029 there's only a couple tells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerex Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 i like this watch,i think the factory could make it again a lot people want it so not problem for selling. how do you think? a list people? hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w0lf Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I don't think it's likely to happen again due to lack of 2893 movements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I don't think it's likely to happen again due to lack of 2893 movements. Absolutely true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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